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Word tables: let us make rows same width
I'm extremely grateful for all the attention my post has received, but I
don't seem to have explained myself clearly. Imagine two rows. The top row has only one cell and is a tiny bit wider than the other row. My problem is getting the two rows to be exactly the same width. I have tried splitting the rows into two tables and using Table Properties to set them to the same "preferred width"; I can state my preference, but Word seems to have a different control that overrides my preference. I wish I could display that control and edit it, but I can't. I can also keep rows together in one table and then use Table|Autofit|Distribute Columns Evenly. But this still does not allow me to make my own decision about the width of the table. Stefan Blom was kind enough to give me the link to the MVP note about the shortcomings of Table Properties (http://word.mvps.org/faqs/tblsfldsfms/TablePropPrbs.htm). This lets me control the cell width, but there seems to be no command to control the table width or row width. You're probably wondering how I can get into this fix in the first place. Well, I do a lot of copying rows from one document to another, then combining them into tables. That's how I wind up with a table with one row too wide or too narrow. I'm accustomed to isolating my row and having Table Properties tell me that a row is 99.7% or 101.4% wide. And if I try to adjust it to 100%, it just doesn't seem to work. I can get close enough so that nobody else will notice, but it's frustrating and wastes a lot of time. Again, I'm very grateful for the attention and helpful suggestions, most of which I find I have tried. Maybe my documents are so corrupted that Word can no longer handle them, though it cheerfully opens and saves them day after day. (I got so frustrated with my footnote numbering problem that I paid Microsoft the $35 to look into it for me, though I doubt they'll give me a usable answer. But that belongs on a different discussion board.) "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I think the issue is that Joe wants a table in which either of two columns consumes exactly half of a set width. In another row with three columns, each column would be allocated exactly one third of the same total width. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Tony Jollans" My Forename at My Surname dot com wrote in message ... Sorry, Joe, but you've lost me. You cannot manage table width independently of cell width - if you change the table width the width of at least one cell must also change. Is there some problem with either or both of the methods I have given you for precisely setting cell widths? -- Enjoy, Tony "Joe Lewis" wrote in message ... I can join the tables, then use Table|Autofit|Distribute Columns Evenly to ensure that both tables are the same width. But this leaves me with all columns of the same width, and that's not what I want. I want to manage the table width independently of the cell width, as if I were using HTML. It seems like a reasonable request: I just want to be able to align two rows so they're the same width, without affecting the columns. "Tony Jollans" wrote: The exact behaviour of Preferred Widths is a bit difficult to get used to in non-standard situations. However, to precisely set cell widths you can .. (a) use the old Column Width dialog. To get this go to Tools Customize Commands (tab) Select "All Commands" under Categories Scroll down to find TableColumnWidth Click and Drag it to your favourite toolbar (b) Press and hold Alt while dragging the cell edge. -- Enjoy, Tony "Joe Lewis" wrote in message ... Imagine a table with two rows of three cells each. The cells in row 1 need to be different widths than those in row 2. If the rows are not quite the same width, there's no way to make them the same width. You can split the rows into two tables, use Table Properties to set them to the same "preferred" width, but this does not always set them to an exact width. Frustrating! ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...id=7466fab8-31 1e-489a-a5b3-2afd5ef3b49c&dg=microsoft.public.word.tables |
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Word tables: let us make rows same width: Solution
I think the solution is to us Table|Autofit|Fit to Window. There's a great
article at http://pubs.logicalexpressions.com/P...cle.asp?ID=536. I'm going to try it. Thanks to everyone for their helpful suggestions! "Joe Lewis" wrote: Imagine a table with two rows of three cells each. The cells in row 1 need to be different widths than those in row 2. If the rows are not quite the same width, there's no way to make them the same width. You can split the rows into two tables, use Table Properties to set them to the same "preferred" width, but this does not always set them to an exact width. Frustrating! ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...ic.word.tables |
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Word tables: let us make rows same width
I appreciate it can be a bit fiddly but if nothing you've got so far helps
the only other thing I can say is that sometimes adjusting measurements in small increments can fail (not just in tables) and it may be worth trying to make a bigger adjustment away from what you want before making an (almost) equally big adjustment back. -- Enjoy, Tony "Joe Lewis" wrote in message ... I'm extremely grateful for all the attention my post has received, but I don't seem to have explained myself clearly. Imagine two rows. The top row has only one cell and is a tiny bit wider than the other row. My problem is getting the two rows to be exactly the same width. I have tried splitting the rows into two tables and using Table Properties to set them to the same "preferred width"; I can state my preference, but Word seems to have a different control that overrides my preference. I wish I could display that control and edit it, but I can't. I can also keep rows together in one table and then use Table|Autofit|Distribute Columns Evenly. But this still does not allow me to make my own decision about the width of the table. Stefan Blom was kind enough to give me the link to the MVP note about the shortcomings of Table Properties (http://word.mvps.org/faqs/tblsfldsfms/TablePropPrbs.htm). This lets me control the cell width, but there seems to be no command to control the table width or row width. You're probably wondering how I can get into this fix in the first place. Well, I do a lot of copying rows from one document to another, then combining them into tables. That's how I wind up with a table with one row too wide or too narrow. I'm accustomed to isolating my row and having Table Properties tell me that a row is 99.7% or 101.4% wide. And if I try to adjust it to 100%, it just doesn't seem to work. I can get close enough so that nobody else will notice, but it's frustrating and wastes a lot of time. Again, I'm very grateful for the attention and helpful suggestions, most of which I find I have tried. Maybe my documents are so corrupted that Word can no longer handle them, though it cheerfully opens and saves them day after day. (I got so frustrated with my footnote numbering problem that I paid Microsoft the $35 to look into it for me, though I doubt they'll give me a usable answer. But that belongs on a different discussion board.) "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I think the issue is that Joe wants a table in which either of two columns consumes exactly half of a set width. In another row with three columns, each column would be allocated exactly one third of the same total width. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Tony Jollans" My Forename at My Surname dot com wrote in message ... Sorry, Joe, but you've lost me. You cannot manage table width independently of cell width - if you change the table width the width of at least one cell must also change. Is there some problem with either or both of the methods I have given you for precisely setting cell widths? -- Enjoy, Tony "Joe Lewis" wrote in message ... I can join the tables, then use Table|Autofit|Distribute Columns Evenly to ensure that both tables are the same width. But this leaves me with all columns of the same width, and that's not what I want. I want to manage the table width independently of the cell width, as if I were using HTML. It seems like a reasonable request: I just want to be able to align two rows so they're the same width, without affecting the columns. "Tony Jollans" wrote: The exact behaviour of Preferred Widths is a bit difficult to get used to in non-standard situations. However, to precisely set cell widths you can .. (a) use the old Column Width dialog. To get this go to Tools Customize Commands (tab) Select "All Commands" under Categories Scroll down to find TableColumnWidth Click and Drag it to your favourite toolbar (b) Press and hold Alt while dragging the cell edge. -- Enjoy, Tony "Joe Lewis" wrote in message ... Imagine a table with two rows of three cells each. The cells in row 1 need to be different widths than those in row 2. If the rows are not quite the same width, there's no way to make them the same width. You can split the rows into two tables, use Table Properties to set them to the same "preferred" width, but this does not always set them to an exact width. Frustrating! ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...id=7466fab8-31 1e-489a-a5b3-2afd5ef3b49c&dg=microsoft.public.word.tables |
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Word tables: let us make rows same width: Solution
I'm glad you got it sorted!
FWIW, http://word.mvps.org/faqs/tblsfldsfm...ableToPage.htm also describes how to fit a table to the width of the page; that method preserves the relative sizes of column widths, too. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Joe Lewis" wrote in message ... I think the solution is to us Table|Autofit|Fit to Window. There's a great article at http://pubs.logicalexpressions.com/P...cle.asp?ID=536. I'm going to try it. Thanks to everyone for their helpful suggestions! "Joe Lewis" wrote: Imagine a table with two rows of three cells each. The cells in row 1 need to be different widths than those in row 2. If the rows are not quite the same width, there's no way to make them the same width. You can split the rows into two tables, use Table Properties to set them to the same "preferred" width, but this does not always set them to an exact width. Frustrating! ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...ic.word.tables |
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