Publisher & MSIE 8.0

Is microsoft changing Publisher accordingly. I have spent 2 hours tinkering
with "ungrouping" and re-configuring. very un-appealing.

"Joe" wrote:

I had the same problem and similar concerns that William did. I implemented
your fix in about 1 minute and problem solved! Thanks! Much appreciated. I
went about 2 weeks with this problem hanging because I figured it would take
a while to figure a work around or that I might have to buy new software.
What a load off my mind, Thanks again!

"DavidF" wrote:

You aren't alone. IE8 is designed to render webpages in a more 'standards
code compliant' mode than any previous version. In general, many websites
built by many different programs including Publisher do not produce
'standards compliant code' and have 'compatibility' issues in IE8. If you
care to read more about the details of these general statements here are two
articles:

Reference: Release Notes for Internet Explorer 8: Compatibility issues with
websites:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/dd441788.aspx

Reference: MSDN IEBlog:Just The Facts: Recap of Compatibility View:
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/200...lity-view.aspx

Unfortunately this is the price of progress, but luckily the only
compatibility issues with Publisher 2003 and 2007 and IE8 RTW reported thus
far are problems associated with 'grouping'. Any design elements that are
'grouped' together, which includes the Publisher wizard built navbars, do
not render when you view the web page in IE8. The fix in general is to
ungroup the elements. I have found no problems with Publisher 2000 webs.
While I am hopeful that MSFT will soon provide a patch that will fix these
issues in at least Pub 2007, there is a *fix* you can use in the meantime.

In your case I would suggest that you open your original Publisher file and
go to File Save As and save a copy of your Pub file under a different
name. Now working with the new copy of your Pub file go to Edit Select All
Arrange Ungroup. This will ungroup the text boxes and images that
compose the Publisher built navbars along with any other design elements
that might be grouped together on the page. Now the navbar and the rest of
the page should render correctly when you do a web page preview. Repeat this
with each page in your publication. 'Publish to the Web' from this copy of
your publication, upload those files and they will render correctly in IE8.
If you want to make changes in your web in the future go back to your
original Pub file, make the changes, save, and again do a 'Save As' to make
a copy, etc.

The reason I suggest making a copy of your original Pub file and doing the
'ungrouping' on that copy is that when you ungroup the navbar, you will also
ungroup it from the Publisher navbar wizard. This means that if you want to
add a page in the future the navbar will not be automatically updated and
that change propagated throughout the site.You would have to rebuild the
navbar under those circumstances or manually edit the old one.

If you don't plan on adding any more pages to your site in the near future,
then making a copy and doing the ungrouping on that copy in order to
preserve the navbar wizard would not be necessary. Furthermore you could
also do the ungrouping on the original Pub file, produce your new web pages,
and then close the original Pub file without saving the changes. I just
think that perhaps making a copy is a bit safer, but that is up to you.

While this *fix* is a bit of a pain, hopefully it will be temporary. If you
find any other compatibility issues with your pages and IE8, I would
appreciate it if you would post that information in the web group and tell
us what specifically isn't working, and provide a link to the page where we
can find it.

If you have a follow up question or other questions about Publisher webs,
then in the future please post in the web group and we will try to help you
the
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...sher.webdesign
or
http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...&lang=en&cr=US

Please always include the version of Publisher you are using, the URL of
your site and as much detail as possible. Thanks.

DavidF



"William Finck" wrote in message
...
All three of my websites are generic MS-Publisher generated from standard
template components. All also appear and operate without any problems in
IE
7,0, IE 6.0, Firefox, Google Chrome, and even on an old Win98 laptop I
have
running IE 4. Yet using IE 8, all of my websites' navigation bars
disappear,
and are nowhere to be found! IE 8 is not displaying any navigation bars
from
any page on my sites! This happens whether I test the pages locally or
view
them from the web. An example can be found at a personal site I am
setting
up, at http://williamfinck.net/ , if anyone wants to check out this
phenomenon. I cannot be the only person who is experiencing this problem!

The only compatibility issues with Publisher 2003 and 2007 webs and IE8 RTW
reported thus far are problems associated with 'grouping'. Any design
elements that are 'grouped' together, which includes the Publisher wizard
built navbars, do not render when you view the web page in IE8 . The fix in
general is to ungroup the elements.

You must have a huge site as it could not take more than 10 to 20 seconds to
go to each page Edit Select All (or Ctrl+A), and then Arrange Ungroup
( or Ctrl+Shift+G). This is still the manual method you will have to use for
Publisher 2003.

Though you can use the manual method of ungrouping the navbars, MSFT also
fixed the issue for Pub 2007 users with the Office 2007 SP2: Reference:
Description of 2007 Microsoft Office Suite Service Pack 2 (SP2) and of
Microsoft Office Language Pack 2007 SP2:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=953195

Some users found that SP2 'broke' Publisher and they were unable to open
existing Pub files. That too has been fixed with a hotfix:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/972566/
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/972632

If you are having a different problem or the solutions provided do not work
for you, then please post your follow up questions in the web design group
and we will try to help you there.

news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...sher.webdesign
or
http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...&lang=en&cr=US

Please always include the version of Publisher you are using, the URL of
your site and as much detail as possible.

DavidF


"SteveB" wrote in message
...
Is microsoft changing Publisher accordingly. I have spent 2 hours
tinkering
with "ungrouping" and re-configuring. very un-appealing.

"Joe" wrote:

I had the same problem and similar concerns that William did. I
implemented
your fix in about 1 minute and problem solved! Thanks! Much
appreciated. I
went about 2 weeks with this problem hanging because I figured it would
take
a while to figure a work around or that I might have to buy new software.
What a load off my mind, Thanks again!

"DavidF" wrote:

You aren't alone. IE8 is designed to render webpages in a more
'standards
code compliant' mode than any previous version. In general, many
websites
built by many different programs including Publisher do not produce
'standards compliant code' and have 'compatibility' issues in IE8. If
you
care to read more about the details of these general statements here
are two
articles:

Reference: Release Notes for Internet Explorer 8: Compatibility issues
with
websites:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/dd441788.aspx

Reference: MSDN IEBlog:Just The Facts: Recap of Compatibility View:
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/200...lity-view.aspx

Unfortunately this is the price of progress, but luckily the only
compatibility issues with Publisher 2003 and 2007 and IE8 RTW reported
thus
far are problems associated with 'grouping'. Any design elements that
are
'grouped' together, which includes the Publisher wizard built navbars,
do
not render when you view the web page in IE8. The fix in general is to
ungroup the elements. I have found no problems with Publisher 2000
webs.
While I am hopeful that MSFT will soon provide a patch that will fix
these
issues in at least Pub 2007, there is a *fix* you can use in the
meantime.

In your case I would suggest that you open your original Publisher file
and
go to File Save As and save a copy of your Pub file under a different
name. Now working with the new copy of your Pub file go to Edit
Select All
Arrange Ungroup. This will ungroup the text boxes and images that
compose the Publisher built navbars along with any other design
elements
that might be grouped together on the page. Now the navbar and the rest
of
the page should render correctly when you do a web page preview. Repeat
this
with each page in your publication. 'Publish to the Web' from this copy
of
your publication, upload those files and they will render correctly in
IE8.
If you want to make changes in your web in the future go back to your
original Pub file, make the changes, save, and again do a 'Save As' to
make
a copy, etc.

The reason I suggest making a copy of your original Pub file and doing
the
'ungrouping' on that copy is that when you ungroup the navbar, you will
also
ungroup it from the Publisher navbar wizard. This means that if you
want to
add a page in the future the navbar will not be automatically updated
and
that change propagated throughout the site.You would have to rebuild
the
navbar under those circumstances or manually edit the old one.

If you don't plan on adding any more pages to your site in the near
future,
then making a copy and doing the ungrouping on that copy in order to
preserve the navbar wizard would not be necessary. Furthermore you
could
also do the ungrouping on the original Pub file, produce your new web
pages,
and then close the original Pub file without saving the changes. I just
think that perhaps making a copy is a bit safer, but that is up to you.

While this *fix* is a bit of a pain, hopefully it will be temporary. If
you
find any other compatibility issues with your pages and IE8, I would
appreciate it if you would post that information in the web group and
tell
us what specifically isn't working, and provide a link to the page
where we
can find it.

If you have a follow up question or other questions about Publisher
webs,
then in the future please post in the web group and we will try to help
you
the
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...sher.webdesign
or
http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...&lang=en&cr=US

Please always include the version of Publisher you are using, the URL
of
your site and as much detail as possible. Thanks.

DavidF



"William Finck" wrote in
message
...
All three of my websites are generic MS-Publisher generated from
standard
template components. All also appear and operate without any
problems in
IE
7,0, IE 6.0, Firefox, Google Chrome, and even on an old Win98 laptop
I
have
running IE 4. Yet using IE 8, all of my websites' navigation bars
disappear,
and are nowhere to be found! IE 8 is not displaying any navigation
bars
from
any page on my sites! This happens whether I test the pages locally
or
view
them from the web. An example can be found at a personal site I am
setting
up, at http://williamfinck.net/ , if anyone wants to check out this
phenomenon. I cannot be the only person who is experiencing this
problem!

the fix you suggest only ungroups one page at a time. My sebsite is 50
pages, way too difficult. Is MS planning a fix?

"DavidF" wrote:

You aren't alone. IE8 is designed to render webpages in a more 'standards
code compliant' mode than any previous version. In general, many websites
built by many different programs including Publisher do not produce
'standards compliant code' and have 'compatibility' issues in IE8. If you
care to read more about the details of these general statements here are two
articles:

Reference: Release Notes for Internet Explorer 8: Compatibility issues with
websites:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/dd441788.aspx

Reference: MSDN IEBlog:Just The Facts: Recap of Compatibility View:
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/200...lity-view.aspx

Unfortunately this is the price of progress, but luckily the only
compatibility issues with Publisher 2003 and 2007 and IE8 RTW reported thus
far are problems associated with 'grouping'. Any design elements that are
'grouped' together, which includes the Publisher wizard built navbars, do
not render when you view the web page in IE8. The fix in general is to
ungroup the elements. I have found no problems with Publisher 2000 webs.
While I am hopeful that MSFT will soon provide a patch that will fix these
issues in at least Pub 2007, there is a *fix* you can use in the meantime.

In your case I would suggest that you open your original Publisher file and
go to File Save As and save a copy of your Pub file under a different
name. Now working with the new copy of your Pub file go to Edit Select All
Arrange Ungroup. This will ungroup the text boxes and images that
compose the Publisher built navbars along with any other design elements
that might be grouped together on the page. Now the navbar and the rest of
the page should render correctly when you do a web page preview. Repeat this
with each page in your publication. 'Publish to the Web' from this copy of
your publication, upload those files and they will render correctly in IE8.
If you want to make changes in your web in the future go back to your
original Pub file, make the changes, save, and again do a 'Save As' to make
a copy, etc.

The reason I suggest making a copy of your original Pub file and doing the
'ungrouping' on that copy is that when you ungroup the navbar, you will also
ungroup it from the Publisher navbar wizard. This means that if you want to
add a page in the future the navbar will not be automatically updated and
that change propagated throughout the site.You would have to rebuild the
navbar under those circumstances or manually edit the old one.

If you don't plan on adding any more pages to your site in the near future,
then making a copy and doing the ungrouping on that copy in order to
preserve the navbar wizard would not be necessary. Furthermore you could
also do the ungrouping on the original Pub file, produce your new web pages,
and then close the original Pub file without saving the changes. I just
think that perhaps making a copy is a bit safer, but that is up to you.

While this *fix* is a bit of a pain, hopefully it will be temporary. If you
find any other compatibility issues with your pages and IE8, I would
appreciate it if you would post that information in the web group and tell
us what specifically isn't working, and provide a link to the page where we
can find it.

If you have a follow up question or other questions about Publisher webs,
then in the future please post in the web group and we will try to help you
the
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...sher.webdesign
or
http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...&lang=en&cr=US

Please always include the version of Publisher you are using, the URL of
your site and as much detail as possible. Thanks.

DavidF



"William Finck" wrote in message
...
All three of my websites are generic MS-Publisher generated from standard
template components. All also appear and operate without any problems in
IE
7,0, IE 6.0, Firefox, Google Chrome, and even on an old Win98 laptop I
have
running IE 4. Yet using IE 8, all of my websites' navigation bars
disappear,
and are nowhere to be found! IE 8 is not displaying any navigation bars
from
any page on my sites! This happens whether I test the pages locally or
view
them from the web. An example can be found at a personal site I am
setting
up, at http://williamfinck.net/ , if anyone wants to check out this
phenomenon. I cannot be the only person who is experiencing this problem!

10 seconds per page is too difficult?

DavidF

"SteveB" wrote in message
news
the fix you suggest only ungroups one page at a time. My sebsite is 50
pages, way too difficult. Is MS planning a fix?

"DavidF" wrote:

You aren't alone. IE8 is designed to render webpages in a more 'standards
code compliant' mode than any previous version. In general, many websites
built by many different programs including Publisher do not produce
'standards compliant code' and have 'compatibility' issues in IE8. If you
care to read more about the details of these general statements here are
two
articles:

Reference: Release Notes for Internet Explorer 8: Compatibility issues
with
websites:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/dd441788.aspx

Reference: MSDN IEBlog:Just The Facts: Recap of Compatibility View:
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/200...lity-view.aspx

Unfortunately this is the price of progress, but luckily the only
compatibility issues with Publisher 2003 and 2007 and IE8 RTW reported
thus
far are problems associated with 'grouping'. Any design elements that are
'grouped' together, which includes the Publisher wizard built navbars, do
not render when you view the web page in IE8. The fix in general is to
ungroup the elements. I have found no problems with Publisher 2000 webs.
While I am hopeful that MSFT will soon provide a patch that will fix
these
issues in at least Pub 2007, there is a *fix* you can use in the
meantime.

In your case I would suggest that you open your original Publisher file
and
go to File Save As and save a copy of your Pub file under a different
name. Now working with the new copy of your Pub file go to Edit Select
All
Arrange Ungroup. This will ungroup the text boxes and images that
compose the Publisher built navbars along with any other design elements
that might be grouped together on the page. Now the navbar and the rest
of
the page should render correctly when you do a web page preview. Repeat
this
with each page in your publication. 'Publish to the Web' from this copy
of
your publication, upload those files and they will render correctly in
IE8.
If you want to make changes in your web in the future go back to your
original Pub file, make the changes, save, and again do a 'Save As' to
make
a copy, etc.

The reason I suggest making a copy of your original Pub file and doing
the
'ungrouping' on that copy is that when you ungroup the navbar, you will
also
ungroup it from the Publisher navbar wizard. This means that if you want
to
add a page in the future the navbar will not be automatically updated and
that change propagated throughout the site.You would have to rebuild the
navbar under those circumstances or manually edit the old one.

If you don't plan on adding any more pages to your site in the near
future,
then making a copy and doing the ungrouping on that copy in order to
preserve the navbar wizard would not be necessary. Furthermore you could
also do the ungrouping on the original Pub file, produce your new web
pages,
and then close the original Pub file without saving the changes. I just
think that perhaps making a copy is a bit safer, but that is up to you.

While this *fix* is a bit of a pain, hopefully it will be temporary. If
you
find any other compatibility issues with your pages and IE8, I would
appreciate it if you would post that information in the web group and
tell
us what specifically isn't working, and provide a link to the page where
we
can find it.

If you have a follow up question or other questions about Publisher webs,
then in the future please post in the web group and we will try to help
you
the
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...sher.webdesign
or
http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...&lang=en&cr=US

Please always include the version of Publisher you are using, the URL of
your site and as much detail as possible. Thanks.

DavidF



"William Finck" wrote in message
...
All three of my websites are generic MS-Publisher generated from
standard
template components. All also appear and operate without any problems
in
IE
7,0, IE 6.0, Firefox, Google Chrome, and even on an old Win98 laptop I
have
running IE 4. Yet using IE 8, all of my websites' navigation bars
disappear,
and are nowhere to be found! IE 8 is not displaying any navigation
bars
from
any page on my sites! This happens whether I test the pages locally or
view
them from the web. An example can be found at a personal site I am
setting
up, at http://williamfinck.net/ , if anyone wants to check out this
phenomenon. I cannot be the only person who is experiencing this
problem!