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A2007 - OLE vs. Attachements
Hi, Doug.
Well, then it seems to me that the *bigger* problem is poor planning. If I were to initiate a fine forum like this (and it truly is fine) then I'd make sure that I could actually ENFORCE the Rules of Conduct that people have been asked to respect! Otherwise, why bother with any rules at all? Personaly, I find the "info-attack" (I don't know what else to call it) towards Steve far more disturbing than his trolling for $$$. It's downright CREEPY. The fact that all of that effort goes for naught because ultimately, the rules can't be enforced makes it more a travesty than anything. Yikes! -- www.Marzetti.com "Douglas J. Steele" wrote: The problem is that these newsgroups aren't moderated, nor can they be. You're using Microsoft's web interface to post, but you're actually posting to NNTP newsgroups, not a website. The groups exist on a multitude of servers, not simply the ones that Microsoft administers themselves (msnews.microsoft.com). While Microsoft conceivably could delete posts originating on their server, they would be unable to delete posts originating on other servers. -- Doug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP http://I.Am/DougSteele (no e-mails, please!) "JohnLute" wrote in message ... Thanks for the clarification, Gina. I'm certainly not defending anyone, either. I'm simply saying that the "info-attack" on Steve is as ridiculous and annoying as Steve's trolling for $$$. This smacks of the Aaron Kempf issue. Good GAWSH - if the Rules of Conduct are so explicit and clear than why in the world are these things allowed to blow up like this? Simply ban the offender and get on with life. I really appreciate these forums but I find these playground antics just a bit much and feel compelled to voice my irritation. -- www.Marzetti.com "Gina Whipp" wrote: John, I am not defedning anyone but please note that the TOU you preseted is for Software. The Rules of Conduct for the Newsgroup can be found here... http://www.microsoft.com/library/gal...RulesofConduct. And to quote... "Advertising/Solicitation: These communities were created as a forum for providing peer-to-peer assistance on Microsoft products and services. We ask that you refrain from posting advertisements or solicitations that do not pertain directly to the intended use and purpose of the newsgroup or chat." 1. No, I have to agree I do not see it in this posting either. HOWEVER, I have seen it as much as 9 (nine) times ALL in seperate posts. 2. and 3. As for who the "We" are please refer to postings where Steve has advertised. If you do a search on Steve you will find the "We" and the solicitations. 3. He has been reported several times and has had to make several adjustments to post here. I am not going to defend Steve or StopThisAdvertising. I will say if you don't want to see either one please use Killfile. -- Gina Whipp "I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" - Tremors II http://www.regina-whipp.com/index_files/TipList.htm "JohnLute" wrote in message ... I don't see it, either. So in this instance one could argue that StopThis Advertising is in violation of harrassment. These kinds of "wars" ruin things for everyone. StopThisAdvertising claims, "We warned him a thousand times..." Who is "we" and what/who has given "we" the authority to warn ANYBODY? I just reviewed the TOU: http://www.microsoft.com/info/cpyright.mspx#E1 These don't seem to have been altered for a couple years. If Steve is such a violator then he should be properly reported to MS. Steve appears to be a troll and to have taken on other identities. So if it can be so easily proven then simply do so and be done with it. I'm entirely annoyed by self-appointed forum police! Considering that Steve has been warned "a thousand times" yet is still free to post makes it CLEAR that those who have been warning him are entirely out of line. --- www.Marzetti.com "Piet Linden" wrote: In all fairness, though, this post lacks the usual advertising... Or is there something my browser doesn't show? |
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A2007 - OLE vs. Attachements
........and has had to make several adjustments to post here.
Another one of your bold-faced lies, Bitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have never had to make any adjustments to post in the newsgroups. Steve "Gina Whipp" wrote in message ... John, I am not defedning anyone but please note that the TOU you preseted is for Software. The Rules of Conduct for the Newsgroup can be found here... http://www.microsoft.com/library/gal...RulesofConduct. And to quote... "Advertising/Solicitation: These communities were created as a forum for providing peer-to-peer assistance on Microsoft products and services. We ask that you refrain from posting advertisements or solicitations that do not pertain directly to the intended use and purpose of the newsgroup or chat." 1. No, I have to agree I do not see it in this posting either. HOWEVER, I have seen it as much as 9 (nine) times ALL in seperate posts. 2. and 3. As for who the "We" are please refer to postings where Steve has advertised. If you do a search on Steve you will find the "We" and the solicitations. 3. He has been reported several times and has had to make several adjustments to post here. I am not going to defend Steve or StopThisAdvertising. I will say if you don't want to see either one please use Killfile. -- Gina Whipp "I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" - Tremors II http://www.regina-whipp.com/index_files/TipList.htm "JohnLute" wrote in message ... I don't see it, either. So in this instance one could argue that StopThis Advertising is in violation of harrassment. These kinds of "wars" ruin things for everyone. StopThisAdvertising claims, "We warned him a thousand times..." Who is "we" and what/who has given "we" the authority to warn ANYBODY? I just reviewed the TOU: http://www.microsoft.com/info/cpyright.mspx#E1 These don't seem to have been altered for a couple years. If Steve is such a violator then he should be properly reported to MS. Steve appears to be a troll and to have taken on other identities. So if it can be so easily proven then simply do so and be done with it. I'm entirely annoyed by self-appointed forum police! Considering that Steve has been warned "a thousand times" yet is still free to post makes it CLEAR that those who have been warning him are entirely out of line. --- www.Marzetti.com "Piet Linden" wrote: In all fairness, though, this post lacks the usual advertising... Or is there something my browser doesn't show? |
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A2007 - OLE vs. Attachements
-- Gina Whipp "I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" - Tremors II http://www.regina-whipp.com/index_files/TipList.htm "Steve" wrote in message m... ........and has had to make several adjustments to post here. Another one of your bold-faced lies, Bitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have never had to make any adjustments to post in the newsgroups. Steve "Gina Whipp" wrote in message ... John, I am not defedning anyone but please note that the TOU you preseted is for Software. The Rules of Conduct for the Newsgroup can be found here... http://www.microsoft.com/library/gal...RulesofConduct. And to quote... "Advertising/Solicitation: These communities were created as a forum for providing peer-to-peer assistance on Microsoft products and services. We ask that you refrain from posting advertisements or solicitations that do not pertain directly to the intended use and purpose of the newsgroup or chat." 1. No, I have to agree I do not see it in this posting either. HOWEVER, I have seen it as much as 9 (nine) times ALL in seperate posts. 2. and 3. As for who the "We" are please refer to postings where Steve has advertised. If you do a search on Steve you will find the "We" and the solicitations. 3. He has been reported several times and has had to make several adjustments to post here. I am not going to defend Steve or StopThisAdvertising. I will say if you don't want to see either one please use Killfile. -- Gina Whipp "I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" - Tremors II http://www.regina-whipp.com/index_files/TipList.htm "JohnLute" wrote in message ... I don't see it, either. So in this instance one could argue that StopThis Advertising is in violation of harrassment. These kinds of "wars" ruin things for everyone. StopThisAdvertising claims, "We warned him a thousand times..." Who is "we" and what/who has given "we" the authority to warn ANYBODY? I just reviewed the TOU: http://www.microsoft.com/info/cpyright.mspx#E1 These don't seem to have been altered for a couple years. If Steve is such a violator then he should be properly reported to MS. Steve appears to be a troll and to have taken on other identities. So if it can be so easily proven then simply do so and be done with it. I'm entirely annoyed by self-appointed forum police! Considering that Steve has been warned "a thousand times" yet is still free to post makes it CLEAR that those who have been warning him are entirely out of line. --- www.Marzetti.com "Piet Linden" wrote: In all fairness, though, this post lacks the usual advertising... Or is there something my browser doesn't show? |
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A2007 - OLE vs. Attachements
Oh dear...
-- Gina Whipp "I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" - Tremors II http://www.regina-whipp.com/index_files/TipList.htm "Steve" wrote in message m... ........and has had to make several adjustments to post here. Another one of your bold-faced lies, Bitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have never had to make any adjustments to post in the newsgroups. Steve "Gina Whipp" wrote in message ... John, I am not defedning anyone but please note that the TOU you preseted is for Software. The Rules of Conduct for the Newsgroup can be found here... http://www.microsoft.com/library/gal...RulesofConduct. And to quote... "Advertising/Solicitation: These communities were created as a forum for providing peer-to-peer assistance on Microsoft products and services. We ask that you refrain from posting advertisements or solicitations that do not pertain directly to the intended use and purpose of the newsgroup or chat." 1. No, I have to agree I do not see it in this posting either. HOWEVER, I have seen it as much as 9 (nine) times ALL in seperate posts. 2. and 3. As for who the "We" are please refer to postings where Steve has advertised. If you do a search on Steve you will find the "We" and the solicitations. 3. He has been reported several times and has had to make several adjustments to post here. I am not going to defend Steve or StopThisAdvertising. I will say if you don't want to see either one please use Killfile. -- Gina Whipp "I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" - Tremors II http://www.regina-whipp.com/index_files/TipList.htm "JohnLute" wrote in message ... I don't see it, either. So in this instance one could argue that StopThis Advertising is in violation of harrassment. These kinds of "wars" ruin things for everyone. StopThisAdvertising claims, "We warned him a thousand times..." Who is "we" and what/who has given "we" the authority to warn ANYBODY? I just reviewed the TOU: http://www.microsoft.com/info/cpyright.mspx#E1 These don't seem to have been altered for a couple years. If Steve is such a violator then he should be properly reported to MS. Steve appears to be a troll and to have taken on other identities. So if it can be so easily proven then simply do so and be done with it. I'm entirely annoyed by self-appointed forum police! Considering that Steve has been warned "a thousand times" yet is still free to post makes it CLEAR that those who have been warning him are entirely out of line. --- www.Marzetti.com "Piet Linden" wrote: In all fairness, though, this post lacks the usual advertising... Or is there something my browser doesn't show? |
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A2007 - OLE vs. Attachements
Steve:
Gina's one of the best. Your comments are uncalled for and you should be banned for making them. If there was a magic button I could push to make that happen I would do it without hesitation. -- www.Marzetti.com "Steve" wrote: ........and has had to make several adjustments to post here. Another one of your bold-faced lies, Bitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have never had to make any adjustments to post in the newsgroups. Steve "Gina Whipp" wrote in message ... John, I am not defedning anyone but please note that the TOU you preseted is for Software. The Rules of Conduct for the Newsgroup can be found here... http://www.microsoft.com/library/gal...RulesofConduct. And to quote... "Advertising/Solicitation: These communities were created as a forum for providing peer-to-peer assistance on Microsoft products and services. We ask that you refrain from posting advertisements or solicitations that do not pertain directly to the intended use and purpose of the newsgroup or chat." 1. No, I have to agree I do not see it in this posting either. HOWEVER, I have seen it as much as 9 (nine) times ALL in seperate posts. 2. and 3. As for who the "We" are please refer to postings where Steve has advertised. If you do a search on Steve you will find the "We" and the solicitations. 3. He has been reported several times and has had to make several adjustments to post here. I am not going to defend Steve or StopThisAdvertising. I will say if you don't want to see either one please use Killfile. -- Gina Whipp "I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" - Tremors II http://www.regina-whipp.com/index_files/TipList.htm "JohnLute" wrote in message ... I don't see it, either. So in this instance one could argue that StopThis Advertising is in violation of harrassment. These kinds of "wars" ruin things for everyone. StopThisAdvertising claims, "We warned him a thousand times..." Who is "we" and what/who has given "we" the authority to warn ANYBODY? I just reviewed the TOU: http://www.microsoft.com/info/cpyright.mspx#E1 These don't seem to have been altered for a couple years. If Steve is such a violator then he should be properly reported to MS. Steve appears to be a troll and to have taken on other identities. So if it can be so easily proven then simply do so and be done with it. I'm entirely annoyed by self-appointed forum police! Considering that Steve has been warned "a thousand times" yet is still free to post makes it CLEAR that those who have been warning him are entirely out of line. --- www.Marzetti.com "Piet Linden" wrote: In all fairness, though, this post lacks the usual advertising... Or is there something my browser doesn't show? |
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Well, FWIW, NNTP protocol, which is what this newsgroup is based on is
much old, almost old as the internet itself. You may want to read a Wiki on NNTP and realize that Microsoft was simply making available an avenue to what then was popular and reliable protocol for disseminating discussions. It looks like Microsoft formed the Microsoft.Public newsgroups in 1994, which is before any reliable web forum software even existed and the only other good place was AOL chatroom (?!) JohnLute wrote: Hi, Doug. Well, then it seems to me that the *bigger* problem is poor planning. If I were to initiate a fine forum like this (and it truly is fine) then I'd make sure that I could actually ENFORCE the Rules of Conduct that people have been asked to respect! Otherwise, why bother with any rules at all? Personaly, I find the "info-attack" (I don't know what else to call it) towards Steve far more disturbing than his trolling for $$$. It's downright CREEPY. The fact that all of that effort goes for naught because ultimately, the rules can't be enforced makes it more a travesty than anything. Yikes! |
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A2007 - OLE vs. Attachements
Thank you John... but no worries, I'm used to it.
-- Gina Whipp "I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" - Tremors II http://www.regina-whipp.com/index_files/TipList.htm "JohnLute" wrote in message ... Steve: Gina's one of the best. Your comments are uncalled for and you should be banned for making them. If there was a magic button I could push to make that happen I would do it without hesitation. -- www.Marzetti.com "Steve" wrote: ........and has had to make several adjustments to post here. Another one of your bold-faced lies, Bitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have never had to make any adjustments to post in the newsgroups. Steve "Gina Whipp" wrote in message ... John, I am not defedning anyone but please note that the TOU you preseted is for Software. The Rules of Conduct for the Newsgroup can be found here... http://www.microsoft.com/library/gal...RulesofConduct. And to quote... "Advertising/Solicitation: These communities were created as a forum for providing peer-to-peer assistance on Microsoft products and services. We ask that you refrain from posting advertisements or solicitations that do not pertain directly to the intended use and purpose of the newsgroup or chat." 1. No, I have to agree I do not see it in this posting either. HOWEVER, I have seen it as much as 9 (nine) times ALL in seperate posts. 2. and 3. As for who the "We" are please refer to postings where Steve has advertised. If you do a search on Steve you will find the "We" and the solicitations. 3. He has been reported several times and has had to make several adjustments to post here. I am not going to defend Steve or StopThisAdvertising. I will say if you don't want to see either one please use Killfile. -- Gina Whipp "I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" - Tremors II http://www.regina-whipp.com/index_files/TipList.htm "JohnLute" wrote in message ... I don't see it, either. So in this instance one could argue that StopThis Advertising is in violation of harrassment. These kinds of "wars" ruin things for everyone. StopThisAdvertising claims, "We warned him a thousand times..." Who is "we" and what/who has given "we" the authority to warn ANYBODY? I just reviewed the TOU: http://www.microsoft.com/info/cpyright.mspx#E1 These don't seem to have been altered for a couple years. If Steve is such a violator then he should be properly reported to MS. Steve appears to be a troll and to have taken on other identities. So if it can be so easily proven then simply do so and be done with it. I'm entirely annoyed by self-appointed forum police! Considering that Steve has been warned "a thousand times" yet is still free to post makes it CLEAR that those who have been warning him are entirely out of line. --- www.Marzetti.com "Piet Linden" wrote: In all fairness, though, this post lacks the usual advertising... Or is there something my browser doesn't show? |
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So you have always posted as "Steve" ? Or do you not
consider changing your posting address as an adjustment? John... Visio MVP "Steve" wrote in message m... ........and has had to make several adjustments to post here. Another one of your bold-faced lies, Bitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have never had to make any adjustments to post in the newsgroups. Steve "Gina Whipp" wrote in message ... John, I am not defedning anyone but please note that the TOU you preseted is for Software. The Rules of Conduct for the Newsgroup can be found here... http://www.microsoft.com/library/gal...RulesofConduct. And to quote... "Advertising/Solicitation: These communities were created as a forum for providing peer-to-peer assistance on Microsoft products and services. We ask that you refrain from posting advertisements or solicitations that do not pertain directly to the intended use and purpose of the newsgroup or chat." 1. No, I have to agree I do not see it in this posting either. HOWEVER, I have seen it as much as 9 (nine) times ALL in seperate posts. 2. and 3. As for who the "We" are please refer to postings where Steve has advertised. If you do a search on Steve you will find the "We" and the solicitations. 3. He has been reported several times and has had to make several adjustments to post here. I am not going to defend Steve or StopThisAdvertising. I will say if you don't want to see either one please use Killfile. -- Gina Whipp "I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" - Tremors II http://www.regina-whipp.com/index_files/TipList.htm "JohnLute" wrote in message ... I don't see it, either. So in this instance one could argue that StopThis Advertising is in violation of harrassment. These kinds of "wars" ruin things for everyone. StopThisAdvertising claims, "We warned him a thousand times..." Who is "we" and what/who has given "we" the authority to warn ANYBODY? I just reviewed the TOU: http://www.microsoft.com/info/cpyright.mspx#E1 These don't seem to have been altered for a couple years. If Steve is such a violator then he should be properly reported to MS. Steve appears to be a troll and to have taken on other identities. So if it can be so easily proven then simply do so and be done with it. I'm entirely annoyed by self-appointed forum police! Considering that Steve has been warned "a thousand times" yet is still free to post makes it CLEAR that those who have been warning him are entirely out of line. --- www.Marzetti.com "Piet Linden" wrote: In all fairness, though, this post lacks the usual advertising... Or is there something my browser doesn't show? |
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"Steve" schreef in bericht m... ........and has had to make several adjustments to post here. Another one of your bold-faced lies, Bitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have never had to make any adjustments to post in the newsgroups. Steve -- Get lost $teve. Go away... far away.... No-one wants you here... no-one needs you here... Check out: http://home.tiscali.nl/arracom/whoissteve.html for your 'adjustments' (Website has been updated and has a new 'look'... we have passed 10.000 pageloads... it's a shame !!) Arno R |
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=?Utf-8?B?Sm9obkx1dGU=?= wrote
in : it seems to me that the *bigger* problem is poor planning. If I were to initiate a fine forum like this (and it truly is fine) then I'd make sure that I could actually ENFORCE the Rules of Conduct that people have been asked to respect! Otherwise, why bother with any rules at all? You really have no clue about Usenet, then. Microsoft created the newsgroups. That means they created the charter for the newsgroups. Repeated violation of the terms of a newsgroup's charter can be grounds for losing your account with an ISP, or the news provider. This is not enforced as much as it once was, partly because many ISPs ignore Usenet (neglecting their news server, or outsourcing it, or providing none at all), and no longer employ people who understand the rules of Usenet (people like yourself, for instance). One aspect of the dropping of news servers by ISPs is that many individuals now go to third-party news providers, either paid or free, and that makes them *more* subject to discipline, since their account is not with an ISP for general purposes including Usenet, but it is with a Usenet provider for the sold purpose of using the newsgroups. Thus, abuse of the terms of a newsgroup can easily be punished by these 3rd-party news providers banning your account. In this case, I think you have a point that people attacked Steve for behavior he hasn't exhibited in this particular thread. That's wrong, but hardly inexplicable. Steve has made his bed and he has to lie in it. That means he's going to get treated unfairly in some cases, but given that he has no respect for the groups he trolls for work in, I shed no tears for him. On the other hand, I wish there was more encouragement of his "good" posts (like the one in this thread), since that might serve to nudge him into behaving properly, such that he posted more helpful responses and fewer solicitations. So, yes, it's unfortunate that this happened, but it was initiated by someone who has been in my killfile for a long time (and will remain there for the foreseeable future), so that should tell you something right there. -- David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/ usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/ |
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