Multidimensional Forms/Tables

Duane,

Take a look at the response by rkc today (10/15). The Rules Of Conduct
state, "Please avoid personal attacks, slurs, and profanity in your
interactions." Please inform him that he is violating the Rules of Conduct
of the Newsgroups with his post.

Steve



"Duane Hookom" wrote in message
...
I hope not.

--
Duane Hookom
MS Access MVP
--

"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
hlink.net...
And do you think Doug Steele, David Mueller, John Marshall, Marshall
Barton, Ken Snell and WSF looked at it?

Steve


"Duane Hookom" wrote in message
...
Steve,
I initially criticized you for advertising as the first reply in a
thread. You have done this several times recently. Your posting provided
no other benefit to anyone reading your reply other than an
advertisement. I know why I found the definition of "advertise" since
you didn't seem to understand its meaning. Defining other terms have no
bearing on this discussion.

Where do you get "carte blanc criticizing everything I do". I have read
many of your "legitimate" posts recently and might have even learned
something from them.

I have never criticized your signature. Can you find one posting from me
where I criticized your signature? If you search carefully, you will
find one thread where I defended your use of a signature when you were
criticized by Arno or someone else.

Can you find one instance where I criticized you in a thread where
fairly deep in it appeared an OP wouldn't find success without going
off-line? I generally don't like any thread to go off-line whether for
free or fee. When I have done this, it hasn't been for money and I try
to post the solution back in the thread so others can benefit, not just
the OP. I don't expect others to go off-line for free. I do expect them
to try provide free, public support first.

I'm not sure how you can justify "you have turned one hundred and eighty
degrees" when I believe I have been fairly consistent.

--
Duane Hookom
MS Access MVP
--

I think you meant "******"!

Regards,
Graham R Seach
Microsoft Access MVP
Sydney, Australia


"WSF" wrote in message
...
Graham,
I have to take exception to your use of the word "Plonk".
I will have you know that I, and probably a great many of your fellow
Ockers, have taken great pleasure from our imbibing of the good Dallie
drop. A least offensive term, and to be politically correct, I reckon you
should've used the term "Whacker".

WSF
NZL


Graham R Seach wrote:
Steve,

...what specific published guidelines are you referring to?
The code of conduct, of which you are well aware.

I can't remember the last time I saw an offer like this
I can't help that, but it does happen.

...In the time you spent writing this response to me...
As I'm using a different machine right now, I don't have all the post
histories, so I have no idea what her original problem was. I posted here
because you are still advertising your wares on a free newsgroup.

...your statement, "...we may offer to help them offline..." has no
validity
Untrue, and an irrelevence.

OK, I can see there's no reasoning with the likes of you. You know what
you're doing is unethical, but you just don't care. You make money of the
poor souls who come here seeking help, and that's all you care about. I
call you unethical, and you offer no concrete argument to the contrary.
Little wonder you've NEVER even been considered for an MVP award.

plonk!

Regards,
Graham R Seach
Microsoft Access MVP
Sydney, Australia



"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
hlink.net...

Graham,

I take issue with what you say.
1. a) In the first sentence, what specific published guidelines are you
referring to?
b) Where in the guidelines does it say "Thou shall not drum up
business"?

2. You say, "...we may offer to help them offline..."
a) I can't remember the last time I saw an offer like this. You
could probably count on one hand how many times an offer like this was
made in the newsgroups in the past eight months. Case in point, you are
about the eighth MVP that has responded in this thread. Undoubtedly
numerous other MVPs have read this thread. Do you see one MVP offering
to help Sharan offline? This is the exact point I made to Duane in a
previous response to him when I said that he could have helped numerous
posters solve their problems in the time he has spent dogging me. You
have demonstrated keen expertise with Access in the posts you have made
to the newsgroups. In the time you spent writing this response to me,
you could have written detailed instructions to Sharan on how to at
least begin to solve his problem. Sharan still has his problem as far as
anyone can tell.
b) A goodly number of posters post through discussions.microsoft.com
and accessmonster.com. There's no way to email these posters offline. So
if offers by MVPs to help offline rarely appear in the newsgroups and
there's no way to email posters who post through
discussions.microsoft.com and accessmonster.com, your statement, "...we
may offer to help them offline..." has no validity.

Finally,
When you go straight to the fee-based "offer", you are soliciting a
"service" - not offering "help".

(c) advise the OP and offer our professional services.

So, MVPs "offer" professional services and since I am not an MVP, I
"solicit" a service?

Steve


"Graham R Seach" wrote in message
...

Steve,

The issue here is that you blatantly try to drum up business via the
newsgroups, and that is clearly in breach of the guidelines (and
thereby, its ethics). The newsgroups are meant to offer *free* help. The
MVPs try to solve the OPs problem in the newsgroups, for free. If that
fails, we may offer to help them offline, but the inference and
intention is always that that offline help is also free, in the spirit
of the newsgroups. Having said that, we'll sometimes find that the (now
offline) problem requires more time and resources than can be reasonably
expected for free, so we either (a) escalate it to Microsoft, (b)
provide references to other resources (free or fee-based), or (c) advise
the OP and offer our professional services.

Our principal objection with you is that you go straight to offering a
*fee-based service*, without first exhausting the many other *free*
resources still available, and without attempting to solve the issue
offline for free. Your statement that you have completed 1000 fee-based
requests for help in the past 4 years may be true (I don't know), but it
is irrelevent, because of itself, that fact is not evidence that what
you're doing is ethical. I suggest also that your use of the word
"requests" is a tad generous, because it's you who is making the
request - not the OP.

You emphasised the words "offer" and "help" in your response to Duane.
When you go straight to the fee-based "offer", you are soliciting a
"service" - not offering "help". That's it in a nutshell, and that's
what we object to.

We applaud the many free and helpful posts that you make in these
newsgroups, and certainly don't have any issue with listing your
business as part of your signature line. No-one objects to you earning a
living; we all have to do that, but when you start charging the instant
the (previously free) problem needs to go offline - that amounts to
using the newsgroups to generate business leads. I for one have never
seen you offer to take an OP's problem offline for free (you may have -
I've just never seen it).

The ethics of this matter are simple; Since you start helping for free -
finish helping for free - except of course when the problem ultimately
proves too much to reasonably expect for free, and after all other free
resources have been exhausted. Don't just go for straight for the
fee-based service.

Regards,
Graham R Seach
Microsoft Access MVP
Sydney, Australia


"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
arthlink.net...

Duane,

Your first sentence speaks volumes about your letting your emotion rule
your
thinking! That's exactly what I mean about you losing touch with
newsgroups'
core purpose. The two words are OFFER and HELP. These two words go to
the
heart of what the newsgroups are about and you are rejecting the
concept.
OFFER is defined (from your own dictionary) as "To present in order to
meet
a need or satisfy a requirement" and HELP is defined as "Relief; remedy
(sic
solution to Access related problem)". When you say you don't care what
these
words mean you are syaing you don't care whether the Access users who
come
to the newsgroups to find solutions to their problems get a solution or
not.
I present the Access users an alternative to getting a solution to
their
Access related problem that they can accept or reject. It takes up a
mere
line and a half. 1000 Access users have chosen this alternative and
have
gotten a solution to their Access related problem.

Your emotion has taken over to such a degree that you have lost all
consistency in what you are saying. Here's a quote of what you said at
the
beginning of this thread, "I would not have criticized you if this
thread
was about 10 replies long and it was clear that the OP needed to find a
contractor." And in your current response you have turned one hundred
and
eighty degrees and are carte blanc criticizing everything I do.
Additionally, in another place you said, "I personally would not mind
if a
thread went on for "many days" and maybe
20+ posts and the OP just couldn't "get it" then to offer your "for
charge"
services as long as you made it clear there would be a fee." Is it 10
replies or 20+ posts before you "allow" me to offer fee-based help?
You're
certainly not being clear. Further,
your current response is inconsistent with another MVP's opinion. Doug
Steele said, "I will grant you that the words in Rules of Conduct for
this
group, as posted at
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/ga...RulesofConduct
can be interpretted, should you choose to, as letting you advertise:
"We ask
that you refrain from posting advertisements or solicitations that do
not
pertain directly to the intended use and purpose of the newsgroup or
chat."
Your statement number 2 is contrary to what Doug says. Finally, you are
literally correct in your statement number 1 but totally in error in
its
meaning. The newsgroups are full of advertising! There's all the
following:
o MS Access MVP
o "See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs."
o "John Viescas, author
"Building Microsoft Access Applications" (Coming Soon!)
"Microsoft Office Access 2003 Inside Out"
"Running Microsoft Access 2000"
"SQL Queries for Mere Mortals"
o David Lloyd
MCSD .NET
http://LemingtonConsulting.com
and the list goes on and on to where religious retreats are advertised
by a
MVP who
frequently responds to the newsgroups. You see all of this advertising
in
the newsgroups on a daily basis.

So you see that your arguments don't hold water and what you are saying
does
not make sense.

Steve


"Duane Hookom" wrote in message
. ..

I don't care what other words mean. Why do you dodge the meaning of
advertise? That was the object of our discussion pertaining to #1.

How could I have lost touch with newsgroups' core purpose? My emotion
took
over once when you took a comment from Ken Snell way out of context. I
called you an idiot or something for which I apologized. Your
"actions"
deserved to be called stupid and/or idiotic but not necessarily your
person as a whole.

Just because your advertising works doesn't mean it isn't advertising.

I believe there is no hope for you. You continually offer tangential
statements that aren't relative to the current point (that you use
public
newsgroups to advertise). You are too proud or poor or stubborn to
admit
that:
1) what you are doing is advertising in public newsgroups
2) netiquette suggests that advertising in public newsgroups is not
acceptable

--
Duane Hookom
MS Access MVP


"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
. earthlink.net...

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Offer
Particularly note 2b!!
1.. To present for acceptance or rejection; proffer: offered me a
drink.
2.. a) To put forward for consideration; propose: offer an
opinion.
b) To present in order to meet a need or satisfy a
requirement

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Help

1.
a) The act or an instance of helping.
b) Aid or assistance.
2. Relief; remedy.

You have completely lost touch with what the newsgroups' core purpose
really is.!!

In the time you have spent dogging me you could have used your
Access/database knowledge to help a multitude of Access users with
problems who came to the newsgroups seeking help solving their
problems.
This is one of the reasons 1000 Access users came to me in the past
four
years willing to pay me for help with their problems. You don't get
it!!
You have left your emotion take over just like in your previous
response
where you called me an idiot. In the past you condemned Arno R for
his
tactics and now you have become just the same. Respect for you is
quickly
fading!

Steve



"Duane Hookom" wrote in message
...

1. Your intelligence level is peeking out
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=advertise
2.-6. Your attempt to redefine netiquette.

--
Duane Hookom
MS Access MVP
--
Microsoft Access MVP


"PC Datasheet" wrote:


1. "Contact me at my email address below if you would like outside
help
with this. My fees are very reasonable" IS NOT advertising!

2. 11 requests for fee based help since I posted #1 to Sharan in
this
thread on 10/7

3. 1000 completed requests for fee based help in the last four
years

4. I judiciously only make an offer of fee-based help where it
appears
highly unlikely that a poster will get a solution to his post or
where
it
appears highly unlikely that the poster will be able to get a
solution
to
his post on his own.

5. Ten fold responses of free advice/support

6. 2 & 3 are clearly in the spirit of the newsgroups to provide a
resource
for Access users to find solutions to their problems

If it will ease your mind, I will put in the subject "Offer of
fee-based
help"

Steve

Well, I had to restrained myself!

WSF





Graham R Seach wrote:
I think you meant "******"!

Regards,
Graham R Seach
Microsoft Access MVP
Sydney, Australia


"WSF" wrote in message
...

Graham,
I have to take exception to your use of the word "Plonk".
I will have you know that I, and probably a great many of your fellow
Ockers, have taken great pleasure from our imbibing of the good Dallie
drop. A least offensive term, and to be politically correct, I reckon you
should've used the term "Whacker".

WSF
NZL


Graham R Seach wrote:

Steve,

...what specific published guidelines are you referring to?
The code of conduct, of which you are well aware.

I can't remember the last time I saw an offer like this
I can't help that, but it does happen.

...In the time you spent writing this response to me...
As I'm using a different machine right now, I don't have all the post
histories, so I have no idea what her original problem was. I posted here
because you are still advertising your wares on a free newsgroup.

...your statement, "...we may offer to help them offline..." has no
validity
Untrue, and an irrelevence.

OK, I can see there's no reasoning with the likes of you. You know what
you're doing is unethical, but you just don't care. You make money of the
poor souls who come here seeking help, and that's all you care about. I
call you unethical, and you offer no concrete argument to the contrary.
Little wonder you've NEVER even been considered for an MVP award.

plonk!

Regards,
Graham R Seach
Microsoft Access MVP
Sydney, Australia



"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
arthlink.net...


Graham,

I take issue with what you say.
1. a) In the first sentence, what specific published guidelines are you
referring to?
b) Where in the guidelines does it say "Thou shall not drum up
business"?

2. You say, "...we may offer to help them offline..."
a) I can't remember the last time I saw an offer like this. You
could probably count on one hand how many times an offer like this was
made in the newsgroups in the past eight months. Case in point, you are
about the eighth MVP that has responded in this thread. Undoubtedly
numerous other MVPs have read this thread. Do you see one MVP offering
to help Sharan offline? This is the exact point I made to Duane in a
previous response to him when I said that he could have helped numerous
posters solve their problems in the time he has spent dogging me. You
have demonstrated keen expertise with Access in the posts you have made
to the newsgroups. In the time you spent writing this response to me,
you could have written detailed instructions to Sharan on how to at
least begin to solve his problem. Sharan still has his problem as far as
anyone can tell.
b) A goodly number of posters post through discussions.microsoft.com
and accessmonster.com. There's no way to email these posters offline. So
if offers by MVPs to help offline rarely appear in the newsgroups and
there's no way to email posters who post through
discussions.microsoft.com and accessmonster.com, your statement, "...we
may offer to help them offline..." has no validity.

Finally,
When you go straight to the fee-based "offer", you are soliciting a
"service" - not offering "help".

(c) advise the OP and offer our professional services.

So, MVPs "offer" professional services and since I am not an MVP, I
"solicit" a service?

Steve


"Graham R Seach" wrote in message
.. .


Steve,

The issue here is that you blatantly try to drum up business via the
newsgroups, and that is clearly in breach of the guidelines (and
thereby, its ethics). The newsgroups are meant to offer *free* help. The
MVPs try to solve the OPs problem in the newsgroups, for free. If that
fails, we may offer to help them offline, but the inference and
intention is always that that offline help is also free, in the spirit
of the newsgroups. Having said that, we'll sometimes find that the (now
offline) problem requires more time and resources than can be reasonably
expected for free, so we either (a) escalate it to Microsoft, (b)
provide references to other resources (free or fee-based), or (c) advise
the OP and offer our professional services.

Our principal objection with you is that you go straight to offering a
*fee-based service*, without first exhausting the many other *free*
resources still available, and without attempting to solve the issue
offline for free. Your statement that you have completed 1000 fee-based
requests for help in the past 4 years may be true (I don't know), but it
is irrelevent, because of itself, that fact is not evidence that what
you're doing is ethical. I suggest also that your use of the word
"requests" is a tad generous, because it's you who is making the
request - not the OP.

You emphasised the words "offer" and "help" in your response to Duane.
When you go straight to the fee-based "offer", you are soliciting a
"service" - not offering "help". That's it in a nutshell, and that's
what we object to.

We applaud the many free and helpful posts that you make in these
newsgroups, and certainly don't have any issue with listing your
business as part of your signature line. No-one objects to you earning a
living; we all have to do that, but when you start charging the instant
the (previously free) problem needs to go offline - that amounts to
using the newsgroups to generate business leads. I for one have never
seen you offer to take an OP's problem offline for free (you may have -
I've just never seen it).

The ethics of this matter are simple; Since you start helping for free -
finish helping for free - except of course when the problem ultimately
proves too much to reasonably expect for free, and after all other free
resources have been exhausted. Don't just go for straight for the
fee-based service.

Regards,
Graham R Seach
Microsoft Access MVP
Sydney, Australia


"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
. earthlink.net...


Duane,

Your first sentence speaks volumes about your letting your emotion rule
your
thinking! That's exactly what I mean about you losing touch with
newsgroups'
core purpose. The two words are OFFER and HELP. These two words go to
the
heart of what the newsgroups are about and you are rejecting the
concept.
OFFER is defined (from your own dictionary) as "To present in order to
meet
a need or satisfy a requirement" and HELP is defined as "Relief; remedy
(sic
solution to Access related problem)". When you say you don't care what
these
words mean you are syaing you don't care whether the Access users who
come
to the newsgroups to find solutions to their problems get a solution or
not.
I present the Access users an alternative to getting a solution to
their
Access related problem that they can accept or reject. It takes up a
mere
line and a half. 1000 Access users have chosen this alternative and
have
gotten a solution to their Access related problem.

Your emotion has taken over to such a degree that you have lost all
consistency in what you are saying. Here's a quote of what you said at
the
beginning of this thread, "I would not have criticized you if this
thread
was about 10 replies long and it was clear that the OP needed to find a
contractor." And in your current response you have turned one hundred
and
eighty degrees and are carte blanc criticizing everything I do.
Additionally, in another place you said, "I personally would not mind
if a
thread went on for "many days" and maybe
20+ posts and the OP just couldn't "get it" then to offer your "for
charge"
services as long as you made it clear there would be a fee." Is it 10
replies or 20+ posts before you "allow" me to offer fee-based help?
You're
certainly not being clear. Further,
your current response is inconsistent with another MVP's opinion. Doug
Steele said, "I will grant you that the words in Rules of Conduct for
this
group, as posted at
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/ga...RulesofConduct
can be interpretted, should you choose to, as letting you advertise:
"We ask
that you refrain from posting advertisements or solicitations that do
not
pertain directly to the intended use and purpose of the newsgroup or
chat."
Your statement number 2 is contrary to what Doug says. Finally, you are
literally correct in your statement number 1 but totally in error in
its
meaning. The newsgroups are full of advertising! There's all the
following:
o MS Access MVP
o "See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs."
o "John Viescas, author
"Building Microsoft Access Applications" (Coming Soon!)
"Microsoft Office Access 2003 Inside Out"
"Running Microsoft Access 2000"
"SQL Queries for Mere Mortals"
o David Lloyd
MCSD .NET
http://LemingtonConsulting.com
and the list goes on and on to where religious retreats are advertised
by a
MVP who
frequently responds to the newsgroups. You see all of this advertising
in
the newsgroups on a daily basis.

So you see that your arguments don't hold water and what you are saying
does
not make sense.

Steve


"Duane Hookom" wrote in message
...


I don't care what other words mean. Why do you dodge the meaning of
advertise? That was the object of our discussion pertaining to #1.

How could I have lost touch with newsgroups' core purpose? My emotion
took
over once when you took a comment from Ken Snell way out of context. I
called you an idiot or something for which I apologized. Your
"actions"
deserved to be called stupid and/or idiotic but not necessarily your
person as a whole.

Just because your advertising works doesn't mean it isn't advertising.

I believe there is no hope for you. You continually offer tangential
statements that aren't relative to the current point (that you use
public
newsgroups to advertise). You are too proud or poor or stubborn to
admit
that:
1) what you are doing is advertising in public newsgroups
2) netiquette suggests that advertising in public newsgroups is not
acceptable

--
Duane Hookom
MS Access MVP


"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
.earthlink.net...


http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Offer
Particularly note 2b!!
1.. To present for acceptance or rejection; proffer: offered me a
drink.
2.. a) To put forward for consideration; propose: offer an
opinion.
b) To present in order to meet a need or satisfy a
requirement

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Help

1.
a) The act or an instance of helping.
b) Aid or assistance.
2. Relief; remedy.

You have completely lost touch with what the newsgroups' core purpose
really is.!!

In the time you have spent dogging me you could have used your
Access/database knowledge to help a multitude of Access users with
problems who came to the newsgroups seeking help solving their
problems.
This is one of the reasons 1000 Access users came to me in the past
four
years willing to pay me for help with their problems. You don't get
it!!
You have left your emotion take over just like in your previous
response
where you called me an idiot. In the past you condemned Arno R for
his
tactics and now you have become just the same. Respect for you is
quickly
fading!

Steve



"Duane Hookom" wrote in message
...


1. Your intelligence level is peeking out
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=advertise
2.-6. Your attempt to redefine netiquette.

--
Duane Hookom
MS Access MVP
--
Microsoft Access MVP


"PC Datasheet" wrote:



1. "Contact me at my email address below if you would like outside
help
with this. My fees are very reasonable" IS NOT advertising!

2. 11 requests for fee based help since I posted #1 to Sharan in
this
thread on 10/7

3. 1000 completed requests for fee based help in the last four
years

4. I judiciously only make an offer of fee-based help where it
appears
highly unlikely that a poster will get a solution to his post or
where
it
appears highly unlikely that the poster will be able to get a
solution
to
his post on his own.

5. Ten fold responses of free advice/support

6. 2 & 3 are clearly in the spirit of the newsgroups to provide a
resource
for Access users to find solutions to their problems

If it will ease your mind, I will put in the subject "Offer of
fee-based
help"

Steve

John,

In the Land of Oz, we have a couple of colloquialisms you're probably not
aware of.

The word "plonk" refers to a (usually poor quality) alcoholic beverage. WSF
was employing our typically dry sense of humour. :-)

The word "whacker" is a term used to describe a "snake whacker", or someone
who whacks their snake (if you get my drift). I was less obscure in the term
I used.

By the way, although I hadn't done so before, I have now indeed plonked (=NG
terminology) PC whatsisname.

Regards,
Graham R Seach
Microsoft Access MVP
Sydney, Australia


"John Marshall, MVP" wrote in message
...
In this case, Graham is using plonk as the sound of an annoying newsgroup
user falling into Graham's killfile. The next time Graham downloads
message from the newsgroup, the killfile will remove any messages from PCD
so Graham will never see them. This will include any requests for help
from PCD.

Next time I see Graham, I'll offer him something slightly better to drink.

John... Visio MVP

"WSF" wrote in message
...
Graham,
I have to take exception to your use of the word "Plonk".
I will have you know that I, and probably a great many of your fellow
Ockers, have taken great pleasure from our imbibing of the good Dallie
drop. A least offensive term, and to be politically correct, I reckon you
should've used the term "Whacker".

WSF
NZL

It's a metaphor! (You're not smart enough to know the meaning of this word
so go to www.dictionary.com and look it up)

The poster butted in and made statements that had no validity. He thought
having MVP after his name makes everything he says gospel. When called to
substantiate (look this word up in the dictionary too) his statements, he
was not able to. He lost his credibility.

Steve


"John Marshall, MVP" wrote in message
...
"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
link.net...
Checkmate!

Wrong game.

You lose.

So having one less person to answer your questions is a victory?


John... Visio MVP

He didn't say PCD was a worm. You are assuming he meant you which is
probably a good assumption. I will respond to him in a moment.

In the mean time, I doubt anyone will ever get you to admit that what you
did was wrong. I see no need to continue replying in this thread.

I believe you know that what you are doing is unethical so trying to
convince you of this is a total waste of time.

However, I will continue to reply in threads where I see you advertise as
you clearly did in this thread.

--
Duane Hookom
MS Access MVP


"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
ink.net...
Duane,

Take a look at the response by rkc today (10/15). The Rules Of Conduct
state, "Please avoid personal attacks, slurs, and profanity in your
interactions." Please inform him that he is violating the Rules of Conduct
of the Newsgroups with his post.

Steve



"Duane Hookom" wrote in message
...
I hope not.

--
Duane Hookom
MS Access MVP
--

"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
hlink.net...
And do you think Doug Steele, David Mueller, John Marshall, Marshall
Barton, Ken Snell and WSF looked at it?

Steve


"Duane Hookom" wrote in message
...
Steve,
I initially criticized you for advertising as the first reply in a
thread. You have done this several times recently. Your posting
provided no other benefit to anyone reading your reply other than an
advertisement. I know why I found the definition of "advertise" since
you didn't seem to understand its meaning. Defining other terms have no
bearing on this discussion.

Where do you get "carte blanc criticizing everything I do". I have read
many of your "legitimate" posts recently and might have even learned
something from them.

I have never criticized your signature. Can you find one posting from
me where I criticized your signature? If you search carefully, you will
find one thread where I defended your use of a signature when you were
criticized by Arno or someone else.

Can you find one instance where I criticized you in a thread where
fairly deep in it appeared an OP wouldn't find success without going
off-line? I generally don't like any thread to go off-line whether for
free or fee. When I have done this, it hasn't been for money and I try
to post the solution back in the thread so others can benefit, not just
the OP. I don't expect others to go off-line for free. I do expect them
to try provide free, public support first.

I'm not sure how you can justify "you have turned one hundred and
eighty degrees" when I believe I have been fairly consistent.

--
Duane Hookom
MS Access MVP
--

rkc,
PCD doesn't like being called a worm. I can see his point. From now on,
please just suggest that his actions, ethics, replies, etc are "wormlike".

This might be more appropriate since you wouldn't be attacking him, just
what he does ;-).

--
Duane Hookom
MS Access MVP

--
Duane Hookom
MS Access MVP


"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
ink.net...
Duane,

Take a look at the response by rkc today (10/15). The Rules Of Conduct
state, "Please avoid personal attacks, slurs, and profanity in your
interactions." Please inform him that he is violating the Rules of Conduct
of the Newsgroups with his post.

Steve

This response originally was posted in the wrong part of this thread.
rkc,
PCD doesn't like being called a worm. I can see his point. From now on,
please just suggest that his actions, ethics, replies, etc are "wormlike".

This might be more appropriate since you wouldn't be attacking him, just
what he does ;-).

--
Duane Hookom

--
Microsoft Access MVP


"rkc" wrote:

John Marshall, MVP wrote:
"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
link.net...

Checkmate!


Wrong game.


You lose.


So having one less person to answer your questions is a victory?


John... Visio MVP

Why are you people even talking to this worm?
Unleash Arno.

Duane Hookom wrote:
rkc,
PCD doesn't like being called a worm. I can see his point. From now on,
please just suggest that his actions, ethics, replies, etc are "wormlike".

This might be more appropriate since you wouldn't be attacking him, just
what he does ;-).

What? You mean PCD is a real person?

I thought it was a virus.

"Graham R Seach" wrote in message
...
John,

In the Land of Oz, we have a couple of colloquialisms you're probably not
aware of.

I am from the mother country, so plonk is a familiar word (in both senses)

The word "plonk" refers to a (usually poor quality) alcoholic beverage.
WSF was employing our typically dry sense of humour. :-)

The dry variety of plonk does not taste that bad. ;-)

Regards, Graham R Seach Microsoft Access MVP

John... Visio MVP