Unstable fonts

In the charmap I can't see anywhere which glyphs and how are defined.... I
only see the actual glyphs and when I point to them, the name and alt
keystroke appears.
However I have a key on the keyboard for the scaron, as you can have for ü
or something, but ü works, and ¹ doesn't. But even the alt keystrokes
doesn't work for me in the Publisher too.


"Mary Sauer" wrote in message
...
I simply inserted through the alt+number. Have you tried the alt+0138 for
the capital s and alt+0154 for the small s?
I took off the Type1 font rebooted and again installed the .ttf. The alt
numbers are the same as with any other font that have these symbols.
If you open the character map from accessories and hover over the letters,
you can see what and what isn't included in this font.

--
Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
http://office.microsoft.com/
http://msauer.mvps.org/
news://msnews.microsoft.com

"Jan Kucera" wrote in message
...
I also looked at ttf version, I've never worked with the postscript one
nor I know whether I could it open at all.. So what are your steps from
which I can see the scaron is missing?

If your symbols means letters with caron and so on, then these are quite
common in other languages...

Well still don't know what to do in the ttf to make it work... because in
other fonts, like Arial.. it of course works.

Jan


"Mary Sauer" wrote in message
...

I installed the .ttf version, so my results were based on that.

I then installed the postscript font and the (s)caron symbols are
present. They will insert from Publisher's symbol menu and when typing
the alt+number. So the font is stable and works the way it should. (The
Type1 version had the (s)caron capital T missing). Why Publisher and
Word differs in the way they work I suppose it has something to do with
coding. Word is primarily a document application and does have the
capability of opening WordPerfect documents. I understand WordPerfect
uses Type1 fonts more so than Word.

How many folks need these symbols for page layout?


--
Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
http://office.microsoft.com/
http://msauer.mvps.org/
news://msnews.microsoft.com

"Jan Kucera" wrote in message
...
Hi Mary, thank you for looking into that, sorry for not being very
friendly all the time.
First of all, do you know why it works in Word and other applications
I've tried and it doesn't in Publisher?
Secondly, where did you find the (s)caron is not defined? I have opened
the font (in Font Creator) and found scaron, Scaron and caron glyphs.
If I open the properties of the scaron glyph, I can find this:

PostScript name: scaron
Mappings:
-Macintosh roman [Byte encoding table] to $009A (latin small letter o
with diaeresis]
-Microsoft Unicode BMP only [Segment mapping to delta values] to $0161
(latin small letter s with caron)
-Unicode 1.0 semantics [Segment mapping to delta values] to $0161
(latin small letter s with caron)

Can you see what is missing?
Or what else need to be specified?

Thank you again,
Jan.


"Mary Sauer" wrote in message
...
I downloaded and installed your font. I understand what you are saying,
the glyphs do work in Word. If you open the character map you will find
the caron glyph is not included in this font. However if you type
alt+138 the capital S with the caron will appear. 0+154 will bring up
the small s.

--
Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
http://office.microsoft.com/
http://msauer.mvps.org/
news://msnews.microsoft.com

"Jan Kucera" wrote in message
...
Surprisely..... I do believe the problem is in the fonts, in theirs
mappings, or some technical stuff in it - remember the characters can
be
insereted through insert symbol command.
Although Publisher should work as well as Word with them, I am able
to admit
that it has - becuse of its purpose and power - handle them the
another way
and that way forgets to put up with some of our fonts data.
I would really welcome to hear from some guy who made this stuff a
deeply
technical information how to make the font Publisher-compatible. Or
somebody
who knows where could I ask.

I absolutely have no time to find repro or browse my font library and
find
out which font is refused completely even when using basic latin
characters,
however I did find one which is probably not mapped correctly. It
behaves
very well in contrast to some others.

I included screen shot in Word and in Publisher, typed by keyboard.
The TrueType font can be downloaded at
http://www.misprintedtype.com/v3/fonts/pc/PORCELAI.ZIP. Note that
when you insert in the Publisher the s with caron using Insert
symbol, it works.

1) Why has the Word no problems with the scaron glyph and the
Publisher has?

2) What can I do to make this font work?

Please do not write that this font is downloaded from the internet
for free
so it hasn't some chars or is shoddy. This is maybe true, maybe
isn't. I
would like to know, what is wrong inside the font file, and how to
correct
it in order to be able to make my own, Publisher-compatible fonts.

Thanks.
Jan.

PS: I'm sorry Vanilla for taking your thread, but the problem you
described
is exactly the same I have too and I believe it can be solved
answering these questions.


"Vanillla" wrote in message
news Thanks Mary,
I did try font repair; but it does not seem to do anything. I
downloaded
the program twice.

--
Vanillla
Using: MW 2003, Excell 2003, PowerPoint, Publisher 2003, FP 2003,



"Mary Sauer" wrote:

TweakUI has a font folder repair utility that may help.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/d...powertoys.mspx

I know fonts can be pricey, but they are well worth the price if
you are
concerned about the integrity of your publications.

--
Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
http://office.microsoft.com/
http://msauer.mvps.org/
news://msnews.microsoft.com

"Jan Kucera" wrote in message
...
Hi Vanilla.
Yes I think this is Publisher-only problem, but I don't have
troubles
that it
works some day and some no... it just don't work me all the time.
Maybe
it
works when you don't use the characters which are missing/wrong
mapped -
maybe.

I'm afraid I can't help you but it's quite fine finding that I'm
not
alone
with such problem.


"Vanillla" wrote in message
...
Hi JoAn & Jan
Thanks for responding to my thread.

Those fonts--I am talking about--are freeware, completely free.
They
worked
previously and they might work again next time when I want to
use
them. What
makes it frustrating is that one day there is no problem at all
using
them,
but maybe the next day none of those fonts are 'willing to work'
for
you.
You just don't know what's going to happen expect.
Plus there are no problems at all with Word documents; which
makes me
think
that there is something about Publisher which makes them 'act'
the way
they
do.

Some of the fonts are came fron TypeOasis.

--
Vanillla
Using: MW 2003, Excell 2003, PowerPoint, Publisher 2003, FP
2003,



"JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote:

There are some fonts that you can download that do not include
the
whole
alphabet unless you pay for it.

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



"Vanillla" wrote in
message
...
My fonts are become unstable in Publisher. I believe manly
those
that I
downloaded from the internet. Sometimes I'm not able to use
them
at all
even
though, they are still appearing installed. Or I just able to
change part
of
the text and if I add more to it the whole text changes back
to the
previous
font.
In Word I do not have any problems with my downloaded fonts.

Any idea what's happening and what could be the solution?

I appreciate your help.

--
Vanillla
Using: MW 2003, Excell 2003, PowerPoint, Publisher 2003, FP
2003,

I don't know what else I can advise. You might uninstall the font and
re-install.
Are you using an International keyboard? This article has help.
How To Use the United States-International Keyboard Layout in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306560/en-us

--
Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
http://office.microsoft.com/
http://msauer.mvps.org/
news://msnews.microsoft.com

"Jan Kucera" wrote in message
...
In the charmap I can't see anywhere which glyphs and how are defined.... I
only see the actual glyphs and when I point to them, the name and alt
keystroke appears.
However I have a key on the keyboard for the scaron, as you can have for ü or
something, but ü works, and ¹ doesn't. But even the alt keystrokes doesn't
work for me in the Publisher too.


"Mary Sauer" wrote in message
...
I simply inserted through the alt+number. Have you tried the alt+0138 for the
capital s and alt+0154 for the small s?
I took off the Type1 font rebooted and again installed the .ttf. The alt
numbers are the same as with any other font that have these symbols.
If you open the character map from accessories and hover over the letters,
you can see what and what isn't included in this font.

--
Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
http://office.microsoft.com/
http://msauer.mvps.org/
news://msnews.microsoft.com

"Jan Kucera" wrote in message
...
I also looked at ttf version, I've never worked with the postscript one nor I
know whether I could it open at all.. So what are your steps from which I
can see the scaron is missing?

If your symbols means letters with caron and so on, then these are quite
common in other languages...

Well still don't know what to do in the ttf to make it work... because in
other fonts, like Arial.. it of course works.

Jan


"Mary Sauer" wrote in message
...

I installed the .ttf version, so my results were based on that.

I then installed the postscript font and the (s)caron symbols are present.
They will insert from Publisher's symbol menu and when typing the
alt+number. So the font is stable and works the way it should. (The Type1
version had the (s)caron capital T missing). Why Publisher and Word differs
in the way they work I suppose it has something to do with coding. Word is
primarily a document application and does have the capability of opening
WordPerfect documents. I understand WordPerfect uses Type1 fonts more so
than Word.

How many folks need these symbols for page layout?


--
Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
http://office.microsoft.com/
http://msauer.mvps.org/
news://msnews.microsoft.com

"Jan Kucera" wrote in message
...
Hi Mary, thank you for looking into that, sorry for not being very
friendly all the time.
First of all, do you know why it works in Word and other applications I've
tried and it doesn't in Publisher?
Secondly, where did you find the (s)caron is not defined? I have opened
the font (in Font Creator) and found scaron, Scaron and caron glyphs. If I
open the properties of the scaron glyph, I can find this:

PostScript name: scaron
Mappings:
-Macintosh roman [Byte encoding table] to $009A (latin small letter o with
diaeresis]
-Microsoft Unicode BMP only [Segment mapping to delta values] to $0161
(latin small letter s with caron)
-Unicode 1.0 semantics [Segment mapping to delta values] to $0161 (latin
small letter s with caron)

Can you see what is missing?
Or what else need to be specified?

Thank you again,
Jan.


"Mary Sauer" wrote in message
...
I downloaded and installed your font. I understand what you are saying,
the glyphs do work in Word. If you open the character map you will find
the caron glyph is not included in this font. However if you type alt+138
the capital S with the caron will appear. 0+154 will bring up the small s.

--
Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
http://office.microsoft.com/
http://msauer.mvps.org/
news://msnews.microsoft.com

"Jan Kucera" wrote in message
...
Surprisely..... I do believe the problem is in the fonts, in theirs
mappings, or some technical stuff in it - remember the characters can be
insereted through insert symbol command.
Although Publisher should work as well as Word with them, I am able to
admit
that it has - becuse of its purpose and power - handle them the another
way
and that way forgets to put up with some of our fonts data.
I would really welcome to hear from some guy who made this stuff a
deeply
technical information how to make the font Publisher-compatible. Or
somebody
who knows where could I ask.

I absolutely have no time to find repro or browse my font library and
find
out which font is refused completely even when using basic latin
characters,
however I did find one which is probably not mapped correctly. It
behaves
very well in contrast to some others.

I included screen shot in Word and in Publisher, typed by keyboard. The
TrueType font can be downloaded at
http://www.misprintedtype.com/v3/fonts/pc/PORCELAI.ZIP. Note that when
you insert in the Publisher the s with caron using Insert symbol, it
works.

1) Why has the Word no problems with the scaron glyph and the Publisher
has?

2) What can I do to make this font work?

Please do not write that this font is downloaded from the internet for
free
so it hasn't some chars or is shoddy. This is maybe true, maybe isn't. I
would like to know, what is wrong inside the font file, and how to
correct
it in order to be able to make my own, Publisher-compatible fonts.

Thanks.
Jan.

PS: I'm sorry Vanilla for taking your thread, but the problem you
described
is exactly the same I have too and I believe it can be solved answering
these questions.


"Vanillla" wrote in message
news Thanks Mary,
I did try font repair; but it does not seem to do anything. I
downloaded
the program twice.

--
Vanillla
Using: MW 2003, Excell 2003, PowerPoint, Publisher 2003, FP 2003,



"Mary Sauer" wrote:

TweakUI has a font folder repair utility that may help.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/d...powertoys.mspx

I know fonts can be pricey, but they are well worth the price if you
are
concerned about the integrity of your publications.

--
Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
http://office.microsoft.com/
http://msauer.mvps.org/
news://msnews.microsoft.com

"Jan Kucera" wrote in message
...
Hi Vanilla.
Yes I think this is Publisher-only problem, but I don't have
troubles
that it
works some day and some no... it just don't work me all the time.
Maybe
it
works when you don't use the characters which are missing/wrong
mapped -
maybe.

I'm afraid I can't help you but it's quite fine finding that I'm not
alone
with such problem.


"Vanillla" wrote in message
...
Hi JoAn & Jan
Thanks for responding to my thread.

Those fonts--I am talking about--are freeware, completely free.
They
worked
previously and they might work again next time when I want to use
them. What
makes it frustrating is that one day there is no problem at all
using
them,
but maybe the next day none of those fonts are 'willing to work'
for
you.
You just don't know what's going to happen expect.
Plus there are no problems at all with Word documents; which makes
me
think
that there is something about Publisher which makes them 'act' the
way
they
do.

Some of the fonts are came fron TypeOasis.

--
Vanillla
Using: MW 2003, Excell 2003, PowerPoint, Publisher 2003, FP 2003,



"JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote:

There are some fonts that you can download that do not include the
whole
alphabet unless you pay for it.

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



"Vanillla" wrote in message
...
My fonts are become unstable in Publisher. I believe manly
those
that I
downloaded from the internet. Sometimes I'm not able to use
them
at all
even
though, they are still appearing installed. Or I just able to
change part
of
the text and if I add more to it the whole text changes back to
the
previous
font.
In Word I do not have any problems with my downloaded fonts.

Any idea what's happening and what could be the solution?

I appreciate your help.

--
Vanillla
Using: MW 2003, Excell 2003, PowerPoint, Publisher 2003, FP
2003,

So you can write the characters in the font in Publisher normally using alt
keys?



"Mary Sauer" wrote in message
...
I don't know what else I can advise. You might uninstall the font and
re-install.
Are you using an International keyboard? This article has help.
How To Use the United States-International Keyboard Layout in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306560/en-us

--
Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
http://office.microsoft.com/
http://msauer.mvps.org/
news://msnews.microsoft.com

"Jan Kucera" wrote in message
...
In the charmap I can't see anywhere which glyphs and how are defined....
I only see the actual glyphs and when I point to them, the name and alt
keystroke appears.
However I have a key on the keyboard for the scaron, as you can have for
ü or something, but ü works, and ¹ doesn't. But even the alt keystrokes
doesn't work for me in the Publisher too.


"Mary Sauer" wrote in message
...
I simply inserted through the alt+number. Have you tried the alt+0138 for
the capital s and alt+0154 for the small s?
I took off the Type1 font rebooted and again installed the .ttf. The alt
numbers are the same as with any other font that have these symbols.
If you open the character map from accessories and hover over the
letters, you can see what and what isn't included in this font.

--
Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
http://office.microsoft.com/
http://msauer.mvps.org/
news://msnews.microsoft.com

"Jan Kucera" wrote in message
...
I also looked at ttf version, I've never worked with the postscript one
nor I know whether I could it open at all.. So what are your steps
from which I can see the scaron is missing?

If your symbols means letters with caron and so on, then these are
quite common in other languages...

Well still don't know what to do in the ttf to make it work... because
in other fonts, like Arial.. it of course works.

Jan


"Mary Sauer" wrote in message
...

I installed the .ttf version, so my results were based on that.

I then installed the postscript font and the (s)caron symbols are
present. They will insert from Publisher's symbol menu and when typing
the alt+number. So the font is stable and works the way it should.
(The Type1 version had the (s)caron capital T missing). Why Publisher
and Word differs in the way they work I suppose it has something to do
with coding. Word is primarily a document application and does have
the capability of opening WordPerfect documents. I understand
WordPerfect uses Type1 fonts more so than Word.

How many folks need these symbols for page layout?


--
Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
http://office.microsoft.com/
http://msauer.mvps.org/
news://msnews.microsoft.com

"Jan Kucera" wrote in message
...
Hi Mary, thank you for looking into that, sorry for not being very
friendly all the time.
First of all, do you know why it works in Word and other applications
I've tried and it doesn't in Publisher?
Secondly, where did you find the (s)caron is not defined? I have
opened the font (in Font Creator) and found scaron, Scaron and caron
glyphs. If I open the properties of the scaron glyph, I can find
this:

PostScript name: scaron
Mappings:
-Macintosh roman [Byte encoding table] to $009A (latin small letter o
with diaeresis]
-Microsoft Unicode BMP only [Segment mapping to delta values] to
$0161 (latin small letter s with caron)
-Unicode 1.0 semantics [Segment mapping to delta values] to $0161
(latin small letter s with caron)

Can you see what is missing?
Or what else need to be specified?

Thank you again,
Jan.


"Mary Sauer" wrote in message
...
I downloaded and installed your font. I understand what you are
saying, the glyphs do work in Word. If you open the character map you
will find the caron glyph is not included in this font. However if
you type alt+138 the capital S with the caron will appear. 0+154 will
bring up the small s.

--
Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
http://office.microsoft.com/
http://msauer.mvps.org/
news://msnews.microsoft.com

"Jan Kucera" wrote in message
...
Surprisely..... I do believe the problem is in the fonts, in
theirs
mappings, or some technical stuff in it - remember the characters
can be
insereted through insert symbol command.
Although Publisher should work as well as Word with them, I am able
to admit
that it has - becuse of its purpose and power - handle them the
another way
and that way forgets to put up with some of our fonts data.
I would really welcome to hear from some guy who made this stuff a
deeply
technical information how to make the font Publisher-compatible. Or
somebody
who knows where could I ask.

I absolutely have no time to find repro or browse my font library
and find
out which font is refused completely even when using basic latin
characters,
however I did find one which is probably not mapped correctly. It
behaves
very well in contrast to some others.

I included screen shot in Word and in Publisher, typed by keyboard.
The TrueType font can be downloaded at
http://www.misprintedtype.com/v3/fonts/pc/PORCELAI.ZIP. Note that
when you insert in the Publisher the s with caron using Insert
symbol, it works.

1) Why has the Word no problems with the scaron glyph and the
Publisher has?

2) What can I do to make this font work?

Please do not write that this font is downloaded from the internet
for free
so it hasn't some chars or is shoddy. This is maybe true, maybe
isn't. I
would like to know, what is wrong inside the font file, and how to
correct
it in order to be able to make my own, Publisher-compatible fonts.

Thanks.
Jan.

PS: I'm sorry Vanilla for taking your thread, but the problem you
described
is exactly the same I have too and I believe it can be solved
answering these questions.


"Vanillla" wrote in message
news Thanks Mary,
I did try font repair; but it does not seem to do anything. I
downloaded
the program twice.

--
Vanillla
Using: MW 2003, Excell 2003, PowerPoint, Publisher 2003, FP 2003,



"Mary Sauer" wrote:

TweakUI has a font folder repair utility that may help.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/d...powertoys.mspx

I know fonts can be pricey, but they are well worth the price if
you are
concerned about the integrity of your publications.

--
Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
http://office.microsoft.com/
http://msauer.mvps.org/
news://msnews.microsoft.com

"Jan Kucera" wrote in message
...
Hi Vanilla.
Yes I think this is Publisher-only problem, but I don't have
troubles
that it
works some day and some no... it just don't work me all the
time. Maybe
it
works when you don't use the characters which are missing/wrong
mapped -
maybe.

I'm afraid I can't help you but it's quite fine finding that
I'm not
alone
with such problem.


"Vanillla" wrote in
message
...
Hi JoAn & Jan
Thanks for responding to my thread.

Those fonts--I am talking about--are freeware, completely
free. They
worked
previously and they might work again next time when I want to
use
them. What
makes it frustrating is that one day there is no problem at
all using
them,
but maybe the next day none of those fonts are 'willing to
work' for
you.
You just don't know what's going to happen expect.
Plus there are no problems at all with Word documents; which
makes me
think
that there is something about Publisher which makes them 'act'
the way
they
do.

Some of the fonts are came fron TypeOasis.

--
Vanillla
Using: MW 2003, Excell 2003, PowerPoint, Publisher 2003, FP
2003,



"JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote:

There are some fonts that you can download that do not
include the
whole
alphabet unless you pay for it.

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



"Vanillla" wrote in
message
...
My fonts are become unstable in Publisher. I believe manly
those
that I
downloaded from the internet. Sometimes I'm not able to
use them
at all
even
though, they are still appearing installed. Or I just able
to
change part
of
the text and if I add more to it the whole text changes
back to the
previous
font.
In Word I do not have any problems with my downloaded
fonts.

Any idea what's happening and what could be the solution?

I appreciate your help.

--
Vanillla
Using: MW 2003, Excell 2003, PowerPoint, Publisher 2003, FP
2003,

Vanilla, can you write which font do you have troubles with and whether you
use any characters in the text that don't belong to the basic latin set?

Thanks,
Jan

"Vanillla" wrote in message
...
My fonts are become unstable in Publisher. I believe manly those that I
downloaded from the internet. Sometimes I'm not able to use them at all
even
though, they are still appearing installed. Or I just able to change part
of
the text and if I add more to it the whole text changes back to the
previous
font.
In Word I do not have any problems with my downloaded fonts.

Any idea what's happening and what could be the solution?

I appreciate your help.

--
Vanillla
Using: MW 2003, Excell 2003, PowerPoint, Publisher 2003, FP 2003,

Yes I can...

--
Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
http://office.microsoft.com/
http://msauer.mvps.org/
news://msnews.microsoft.com

"Jan Kucera" wrote in message
...
So you can write the characters in the font in Publisher normally using alt
keys?



"Mary Sauer" wrote in message
...
I don't know what else I can advise. You might uninstall the font and
re-install.
Are you using an International keyboard? This article has help.
How To Use the United States-International Keyboard Layout in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306560/en-us

--
Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
http://office.microsoft.com/
http://msauer.mvps.org/
news://msnews.microsoft.com

"Jan Kucera" wrote in message
...
In the charmap I can't see anywhere which glyphs and how are defined.... I
only see the actual glyphs and when I point to them, the name and alt
keystroke appears.
However I have a key on the keyboard for the scaron, as you can have for ü
or something, but ü works, and ¹ doesn't. But even the alt keystrokes
doesn't work for me in the Publisher too.


"Mary Sauer" wrote in message
...
I simply inserted through the alt+number. Have you tried the alt+0138 for
the capital s and alt+0154 for the small s?
I took off the Type1 font rebooted and again installed the .ttf. The alt
numbers are the same as with any other font that have these symbols.
If you open the character map from accessories and hover over the letters,
you can see what and what isn't included in this font.

--
Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
http://office.microsoft.com/
http://msauer.mvps.org/
news://msnews.microsoft.com

"Jan Kucera" wrote in message
...
I also looked at ttf version, I've never worked with the postscript one nor
I know whether I could it open at all.. So what are your steps from
which I can see the scaron is missing?

If your symbols means letters with caron and so on, then these are quite
common in other languages...

Well still don't know what to do in the ttf to make it work... because in
other fonts, like Arial.. it of course works.

Jan


"Mary Sauer" wrote in message
...

I installed the .ttf version, so my results were based on that.

I then installed the postscript font and the (s)caron symbols are
present. They will insert from Publisher's symbol menu and when typing
the alt+number. So the font is stable and works the way it should. (The
Type1 version had the (s)caron capital T missing). Why Publisher and Word
differs in the way they work I suppose it has something to do with
coding. Word is primarily a document application and does have the
capability of opening WordPerfect documents. I understand WordPerfect
uses Type1 fonts more so than Word.

How many folks need these symbols for page layout?


--
Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
http://office.microsoft.com/
http://msauer.mvps.org/
news://msnews.microsoft.com

"Jan Kucera" wrote in message
...
Hi Mary, thank you for looking into that, sorry for not being very
friendly all the time.
First of all, do you know why it works in Word and other applications
I've tried and it doesn't in Publisher?
Secondly, where did you find the (s)caron is not defined? I have opened
the font (in Font Creator) and found scaron, Scaron and caron glyphs. If
I open the properties of the scaron glyph, I can find this:

PostScript name: scaron
Mappings:
-Macintosh roman [Byte encoding table] to $009A (latin small letter o
with diaeresis]
-Microsoft Unicode BMP only [Segment mapping to delta values] to $0161
(latin small letter s with caron)
-Unicode 1.0 semantics [Segment mapping to delta values] to $0161 (latin
small letter s with caron)

Can you see what is missing?
Or what else need to be specified?

Thank you again,
Jan.


"Mary Sauer" wrote in message
...
I downloaded and installed your font. I understand what you are saying,
the glyphs do work in Word. If you open the character map you will find
the caron glyph is not included in this font. However if you type
alt+138 the capital S with the caron will appear. 0+154 will bring up
the small s.

--
Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
http://office.microsoft.com/
http://msauer.mvps.org/
news://msnews.microsoft.com

"Jan Kucera" wrote in message
...
Surprisely..... I do believe the problem is in the fonts, in theirs
mappings, or some technical stuff in it - remember the characters can
be
insereted through insert symbol command.
Although Publisher should work as well as Word with them, I am able to
admit
that it has - becuse of its purpose and power - handle them the
another way
and that way forgets to put up with some of our fonts data.
I would really welcome to hear from some guy who made this stuff a
deeply
technical information how to make the font Publisher-compatible. Or
somebody
who knows where could I ask.

I absolutely have no time to find repro or browse my font library and
find
out which font is refused completely even when using basic latin
characters,
however I did find one which is probably not mapped correctly. It
behaves
very well in contrast to some others.

I included screen shot in Word and in Publisher, typed by keyboard.
The TrueType font can be downloaded at
http://www.misprintedtype.com/v3/fonts/pc/PORCELAI.ZIP. Note that when
you insert in the Publisher the s with caron using Insert symbol, it
works.

1) Why has the Word no problems with the scaron glyph and the
Publisher has?

2) What can I do to make this font work?

Please do not write that this font is downloaded from the internet for
free
so it hasn't some chars or is shoddy. This is maybe true, maybe isn't.
I
would like to know, what is wrong inside the font file, and how to
correct
it in order to be able to make my own, Publisher-compatible fonts.

Thanks.
Jan.

PS: I'm sorry Vanilla for taking your thread, but the problem you
described
is exactly the same I have too and I believe it can be solved
answering these questions.


"Vanillla" wrote in message
news Thanks Mary,
I did try font repair; but it does not seem to do anything. I
downloaded
the program twice.

--
Vanillla
Using: MW 2003, Excell 2003, PowerPoint, Publisher 2003, FP 2003,



"Mary Sauer" wrote:

TweakUI has a font folder repair utility that may help.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/d...powertoys.mspx

I know fonts can be pricey, but they are well worth the price if you
are
concerned about the integrity of your publications.

--
Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
http://office.microsoft.com/
http://msauer.mvps.org/
news://msnews.microsoft.com

"Jan Kucera" wrote in message
...
Hi Vanilla.
Yes I think this is Publisher-only problem, but I don't have
troubles
that it
works some day and some no... it just don't work me all the time.
Maybe
it
works when you don't use the characters which are missing/wrong
mapped -
maybe.

I'm afraid I can't help you but it's quite fine finding that I'm
not
alone
with such problem.


"Vanillla" wrote in message
...
Hi JoAn & Jan
Thanks for responding to my thread.

Those fonts--I am talking about--are freeware, completely free.
They
worked
previously and they might work again next time when I want to use
them. What
makes it frustrating is that one day there is no problem at all
using
them,
but maybe the next day none of those fonts are 'willing to work'
for
you.
You just don't know what's going to happen expect.
Plus there are no problems at all with Word documents; which
makes me
think
that there is something about Publisher which makes them 'act'
the way
they
do.

Some of the fonts are came fron TypeOasis.

--
Vanillla
Using: MW 2003, Excell 2003, PowerPoint, Publisher 2003, FP 2003,



"JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote:

There are some fonts that you can download that do not include
the
whole
alphabet unless you pay for it.

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



"Vanillla" wrote in message
...
My fonts are become unstable in Publisher. I believe manly
those
that I
downloaded from the internet. Sometimes I'm not able to use
them
at all
even
though, they are still appearing installed. Or I just able to
change part
of
the text and if I add more to it the whole text changes back
to the
previous
font.
In Word I do not have any problems with my downloaded fonts.

Any idea what's happening and what could be the solution?

I appreciate your help.

--
Vanillla
Using: MW 2003, Excell 2003, PowerPoint, Publisher 2003, FP
2003,

Hmmmmm....... so I'm afraid this is where we end up, because if there is no
repro there is nothing to solve.

However thank you for your time trying to help us.
Jan


"Mary Sauer" wrote in message
...
Yes I can...

--
Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
http://office.microsoft.com/
http://msauer.mvps.org/
news://msnews.microsoft.com

"Jan Kucera" wrote in message
...
So you can write the characters in the font in Publisher normally using
alt keys?



"Mary Sauer" wrote in message
...
I don't know what else I can advise. You might uninstall the font and
re-install.
Are you using an International keyboard? This article has help.
How To Use the United States-International Keyboard Layout in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306560/en-us

--
Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
http://office.microsoft.com/
http://msauer.mvps.org/
news://msnews.microsoft.com

"Jan Kucera" wrote in message
...
In the charmap I can't see anywhere which glyphs and how are
defined.... I only see the actual glyphs and when I point to them, the
name and alt keystroke appears.
However I have a key on the keyboard for the scaron, as you can have
for ü or something, but ü works, and ¹ doesn't. But even the alt
keystrokes doesn't work for me in the Publisher too.


"Mary Sauer" wrote in message
...
I simply inserted through the alt+number. Have you tried the alt+0138
for the capital s and alt+0154 for the small s?
I took off the Type1 font rebooted and again installed the .ttf. The
alt numbers are the same as with any other font that have these
symbols.
If you open the character map from accessories and hover over the
letters, you can see what and what isn't included in this font.

--
Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
http://office.microsoft.com/
http://msauer.mvps.org/
news://msnews.microsoft.com

"Jan Kucera" wrote in message
...
I also looked at ttf version, I've never worked with the postscript
one nor I know whether I could it open at all.. So what are your
steps from which I can see the scaron is missing?

If your symbols means letters with caron and so on, then these are
quite common in other languages...

Well still don't know what to do in the ttf to make it work...
because in other fonts, like Arial.. it of course works.

Jan


"Mary Sauer" wrote in message
...

I installed the .ttf version, so my results were based on that.

I then installed the postscript font and the (s)caron symbols are
present. They will insert from Publisher's symbol menu and when
typing the alt+number. So the font is stable and works the way it
should. (The Type1 version had the (s)caron capital T missing). Why
Publisher and Word differs in the way they work I suppose it has
something to do with coding. Word is primarily a document
application and does have the capability of opening WordPerfect
documents. I understand WordPerfect uses Type1 fonts more so than
Word.

How many folks need these symbols for page layout?


--
Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
http://office.microsoft.com/
http://msauer.mvps.org/
news://msnews.microsoft.com

"Jan Kucera" wrote in message
...
Hi Mary, thank you for looking into that, sorry for not being very
friendly all the time.
First of all, do you know why it works in Word and other
applications I've tried and it doesn't in Publisher?
Secondly, where did you find the (s)caron is not defined? I have
opened the font (in Font Creator) and found scaron, Scaron and
caron glyphs. If I open the properties of the scaron glyph, I can
find this:

PostScript name: scaron
Mappings:
-Macintosh roman [Byte encoding table] to $009A (latin small letter
o with diaeresis]
-Microsoft Unicode BMP only [Segment mapping to delta values] to
$0161 (latin small letter s with caron)
-Unicode 1.0 semantics [Segment mapping to delta values] to $0161
(latin small letter s with caron)

Can you see what is missing?
Or what else need to be specified?

Thank you again,
Jan.


"Mary Sauer" wrote in message
...
I downloaded and installed your font. I understand what you are
saying, the glyphs do work in Word. If you open the character map
you will find the caron glyph is not included in this font. However
if you type alt+138 the capital S with the caron will appear. 0+154
will bring up the small s.

--
Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
http://office.microsoft.com/
http://msauer.mvps.org/
news://msnews.microsoft.com

"Jan Kucera" wrote in message
...
Surprisely..... I do believe the problem is in the fonts, in
theirs
mappings, or some technical stuff in it - remember the characters
can be
insereted through insert symbol command.
Although Publisher should work as well as Word with them, I am
able to admit
that it has - becuse of its purpose and power - handle them the
another way
and that way forgets to put up with some of our fonts data.
I would really welcome to hear from some guy who made this stuff
a deeply
technical information how to make the font Publisher-compatible.
Or somebody
who knows where could I ask.

I absolutely have no time to find repro or browse my font library
and find
out which font is refused completely even when using basic latin
characters,
however I did find one which is probably not mapped correctly. It
behaves
very well in contrast to some others.

I included screen shot in Word and in Publisher, typed by
keyboard. The TrueType font can be downloaded at
http://www.misprintedtype.com/v3/fonts/pc/PORCELAI.ZIP. Note that
when you insert in the Publisher the s with caron using Insert
symbol, it works.

1) Why has the Word no problems with the scaron glyph and the
Publisher has?

2) What can I do to make this font work?

Please do not write that this font is downloaded from the
internet for free
so it hasn't some chars or is shoddy. This is maybe true, maybe
isn't. I
would like to know, what is wrong inside the font file, and how
to correct
it in order to be able to make my own, Publisher-compatible
fonts.

Thanks.
Jan.

PS: I'm sorry Vanilla for taking your thread, but the problem you
described
is exactly the same I have too and I believe it can be solved
answering these questions.


"Vanillla" wrote in message
news Thanks Mary,
I did try font repair; but it does not seem to do anything. I
downloaded
the program twice.

--
Vanillla
Using: MW 2003, Excell 2003, PowerPoint, Publisher 2003, FP
2003,



"Mary Sauer" wrote:

TweakUI has a font folder repair utility that may help.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/d...powertoys.mspx

I know fonts can be pricey, but they are well worth the price
if you are
concerned about the integrity of your publications.

--
Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
http://office.microsoft.com/
http://msauer.mvps.org/
news://msnews.microsoft.com

"Jan Kucera" wrote in message
...
Hi Vanilla.
Yes I think this is Publisher-only problem, but I don't have
troubles
that it
works some day and some no... it just don't work me all the
time. Maybe
it
works when you don't use the characters which are
missing/wrong
mapped -
maybe.

I'm afraid I can't help you but it's quite fine finding that
I'm not
alone
with such problem.


"Vanillla" wrote in
message
...
Hi JoAn & Jan
Thanks for responding to my thread.

Those fonts--I am talking about--are freeware, completely
free. They
worked
previously and they might work again next time when I want
to use
them. What
makes it frustrating is that one day there is no problem at
all using
them,
but maybe the next day none of those fonts are 'willing to
work' for
you.
You just don't know what's going to happen expect.
Plus there are no problems at all with Word documents; which
makes me
think
that there is something about Publisher which makes them
'act' the way
they
do.

Some of the fonts are came fron TypeOasis.

--
Vanillla
Using: MW 2003, Excell 2003, PowerPoint, Publisher 2003, FP
2003,



"JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote:

There are some fonts that you can download that do not
include the
whole
alphabet unless you pay for it.

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



"Vanillla" wrote in
message
...
My fonts are become unstable in Publisher. I believe
manly those
that I
downloaded from the internet. Sometimes I'm not able to
use them
at all
even
though, they are still appearing installed. Or I just
able to
change part
of
the text and if I add more to it the whole text changes
back to the
previous
font.
In Word I do not have any problems with my downloaded
fonts.

Any idea what's happening and what could be the solution?

I appreciate your help.

--
Vanillla
Using: MW 2003, Excell 2003, PowerPoint, Publisher 2003,
FP 2003,

Hi Mary,
would you please be so kind and try this font as well?
http://195.122.199.198/dearJoe4trial.ttf

I'm not able to write any letters with it.

Jan

It works for me... Interesting, when you type the number one, instead of "1" it
says "buy me" with the URL.



--
Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
http://office.microsoft.com/
http://msauer.mvps.org/
news://msnews.microsoft.com

"Jan Kucera" wrote in message
...
Hi Mary,
would you please be so kind and try this font as well?
http://195.122.199.198/dearJoe4trial.ttf

I'm not able to write any letters with it.

Jan

:-D Well if you have $50 or something like that, you can get the full
version of the font. ;-) I only choose it because the basic latin doesn't
work to me either.

Hm, that's bad. Publisher do not allows me to select that font at all. Yours
can, and I am sad, because I don't know what to do.
I've tried reinstalling Office as well as pc, detect and repair, updates and
all things I could imagine, and it does me the same on both localised and
english version of the publisher and both on Win XP and 2003.

Thanks for try, have a nice day.
Jan

"Mary Sauer" wrote in message
...
It works for me... Interesting, when you type the number one, instead of
"1" it says "buy me" with the URL.



--
Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
http://office.microsoft.com/
http://msauer.mvps.org/
news://msnews.microsoft.com

"Jan Kucera" wrote in message
...
Hi Mary,
would you please be so kind and try this font as well?
http://195.122.199.198/dearJoe4trial.ttf

I'm not able to write any letters with it.

Jan