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Old July 18th, 2004, 05:57 PM
Matthias Vering
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We're producing a little newspaper (32 pages) with
Publisher. It has text and photos in it. It uses
exorbitant 2 GB of space on disc - and removing the
pictures does not make it smaller. After some times XP
runs slow, and I do not have any idea how to improve it.
Yesterday then Publisher was not able to save the file
("no sufficient memory - but the disk has 60 GB space)
and after several hours of trying Publisher ended with a
fatal error.

Is there a error in the publisher's memory model dealing
with pictures? Any help and hint would be appreciated :-)

Thanks - Matthias
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Old July 18th, 2004, 08:13 PM
Ed Bennett
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A small child turns to Ed, and exclaims: "Look! Look! A post from
Matthias Vering !"...
Is there a error in the publisher's memory model dealing
with pictures? Any help and hint would be appreciated :-)


Publisher files cannot exceed 2GB.

Publisher 2000 and below decompressed images when importing them - Publisher
2002 and 2003 do not.

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Old July 19th, 2004, 05:19 AM
°°MS-Publisher°°
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For publishing a newspaper you would be substantially better using Serif PagePlus 9.0
You can get all the Serif assistance you need here at their forum or newsgroups.

Serif has none of the issues of large file sizes and includes CMYK and PDF all built into the one program.
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any road will take you there!"
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Old July 19th, 2004, 09:01 PM
Brian Kvalheim - [MSFT MVP]
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Hi °°MS-Publisher°° ),
in the newsgroups
you posted:

| For publishing a newspaper you would be substantially better using
| Serif PagePlus 9.0

How is that?

| Serif has none of the issues of large file sizes and includes CMYK

Publisher 2002/2003 doesn't have large file size issues either, and also
include CMYK
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Old July 19th, 2004, 09:16 PM
Mike Koewler
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Matthias,

I publish a weekly newspaper (usually from 16-20 pages with a few issues
24-32 pages) and in an entire year, all my pages (generally about 1,000)
of them will easily fit on once CD.

Mike

Matthias Vering wrote:
We're producing a little newspaper (32 pages) with
Publisher. It has text and photos in it. It uses
exorbitant 2 GB of space on disc - and removing the
pictures does not make it smaller. After some times XP
runs slow, and I do not have any idea how to improve it.
Yesterday then Publisher was not able to save the file
("no sufficient memory - but the disk has 60 GB space)
and after several hours of trying Publisher ended with a
fatal error.

Is there a error in the publisher's memory model dealing
with pictures? Any help and hint would be appreciated :-)

Thanks - Matthias



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Old July 19th, 2004, 10:26 PM
°°MS-Publisher°°
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Brian trying to compare Publisher 2003 to Serif PagePlus 9.0 for doing a
weekly newspaper is like trying to compare a Pinto with a Mitsubishi Grande.

PagePlus links pictures PROPERLY without any issues,
If you do embed a picture in PagePlus it retains the picture in original
format - unlike Publisher which blows them up.
PagePlus has the Portfolio feature which is just magic for re-using objects.
PagePlus has a FULL set of defaults that work
PagePlus has a comprehensive and highly useful set of drawing tools far more
suited to creating things for a newspaper than Publisher.
PagePlus has FX effects which Publisher has no answer to.
PagePlus has PDF built in with no extras to buy
PagePlus converts to HTML without any issues and will retain the format
including columns if they want to publish the newspaper as HTML or of course
PDF. Publisher has no ability to convert the document directly to HTML or
PDF.
PagePlus has a TOC (Table of Contents) or an Index function.
PagePlus has up to 99 undo's

It is a NO contest between Publisher and PagePlus to do a weekly newspaper.

Publisher is aimed more at the small business user and is more suitable for
short documents, flyers, invitations etc. etc.

Sure Publisher is a good program, but it has far to many limitations and
falls down in so many areas to do a larger document, and especially a weekly
newspaper where speed and functionality is so important.

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"If you don't know where you are going,
any road will take you there!"


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Old July 19th, 2004, 10:28 PM
°°MS-Publisher°°
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Mike forgot to mention he uses Serif PagePlus 9.0 to achieve what he does so
well.

As much as I know Publisher backwards, forwards and inside out, never would
I even contemplate or consider doing a newspaper in Publisher. I would
automatically use Serif PagePlus 9.0 because it is a substantially superior
program for that purpose.

--

"If you don't know where you are going,
any road will take you there!"

"Never give your mind or heart away"


"Mike Koewler" wrote in message
...
Matthias,

I publish a weekly newspaper (usually from 16-20 pages with a few issues
24-32 pages) and in an entire year, all my pages (generally about 1,000)
of them will easily fit on once CD.

Mike



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Old July 19th, 2004, 10:48 PM
Mike Koewler
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FWIW,

I have 18 pages done so far this week, with lots of embedded images
(some are 300 dpi large-size tif images) and my total file size is 12
megs. Six of those 12 megs are in a file that is a center spread - 30
merchants with a color ad each.

Mike

°°MS-Publisher°° wrote:
Mike forgot to mention he uses Serif PagePlus 9.0 to achieve what he does so
well.

As much as I know Publisher backwards, forwards and inside out, never would
I even contemplate or consider doing a newspaper in Publisher. I would
automatically use Serif PagePlus 9.0 because it is a substantially superior
program for that purpose.



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Old July 20th, 2004, 02:41 AM
Brian Kvalheim - [MSFT MVP]
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PagePlus links pictures PROPERLY without any issues,

While this is a known bug in Publisher, it has no effect on creating a
newspaper. It just happens that the picture is linked AND embeded.

If you do embed a picture in PagePlus it retains the picture in original
format - unlike Publisher which blows them up.


Not true. At least not true in Publisher 2002/2003

PagePlus has the Portfolio feature which is just magic for re-using

objects.

As does Pubilsher. The Design Gallery performs the same as the Portfolio.
You can re-use publisher objects, html objects, text objects, clipart, smart
objects, etc.

PagePlus has a FULL set of defaults that work


As does Publisher 2002/2003. And if you are looking beyond
margin/tab/paragraph/font defaults, there is a free add-in available for
adding even more defaults. In fact, with the Object Model in Publisher, it
almost unlimited.

PagePlus has a comprehensive and highly useful set of drawing tools far

more
suited to creating things for a newspaper than Publisher.

Publisher does indeed have excellent drawing tools. However, comprehensive
drawing tools should be left to drawing programs for serious drawing. That
is why Serif offers the excellent DrawPlus for an additional fee.

PagePlus has FX effects which Publisher has no answer to.


Publisher has VBA for programming routine functions, say in a newspaper for
print for commericial printing, which PagePlus has no answer to. Not to
mention, users of older versions of PagePlus have no way of opening files
sent to them in newer versions. And if you want FX effects, get a drawing
program.

PagePlus has PDF built in with no extras to buy


Plenty of free alternatives for Publisher. No extras to buy.

PagePlus converts to HTML without any issues and will retain the format
including columns if they want to publish the newspaper as HTML or of

course
PDF.


Publisher converts to HTML just fine, PDF can be converted via a free
printer driver.

Publisher has no ability to convert the document directly to HTML


Publisher indeed does.

PagePlus has a TOC (Table of Contents) or an Index function.


Publisher does not. However, over 90% of the systems running Publisher have
Microsoft Word, which is superior for making TOC's and Index, which can be
accessed and used in Publisher. And as noted by Mikes excellent PagePlus
created newspaper, the TOC remains consistent in a template each issue.
Publisher can use the same feature, and on top of that use Smart Objects
that once you enter a TOC title, it also automagically adds the title to a
corresponding text box for that particular story.

PagePlus has up to 99 undo's


Publisher 2002/2003 is unlimited (except via the memory). I remember when I
pointed out that the new Works was better than the old Works 4.5 because of
it's unlimited undo and you said that "you are pathetic if you need that
many undo's". Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm? :-)

It is a NO contest between Publisher and PagePlus to do a weekly

newspaper.

Depends on the user. I have had Serif PagePlus on my system for Version 4.0,
8.0 and 9.0 and have found nothing compelling to TAKE me away from
Publisher. They both have their advantages and disadvantages. You use which
ever you are comfortable with.

Publisher is aimed more at the small business user and is more suitable

for
short documents, flyers, invitations etc. etc.


And long documents, full color magazines, newspapers, etc. I have 4 issues
of RC (Radio Control) Magazine from England. It looks just like the
MotorTrends/People high quality magazines, and is done entirely in
Publisher, and sold at their magazine stands and drug stores. Granted, they
don't have as fancy of camera's, so the pictures are not quite as perfect as
say GQ, but it's awesome quality none the less.

Sure Publisher is a good program, but it has far to many limitations and
falls down in so many areas to do a larger document, and especially a

weekly
newspaper where speed and functionality is so important.


Not true. If you wanted to get nit picky, I could ramble on how PagePlus
doesn't have a translation feature, isn't supported in as many
countries/languages, doesn't support *.mht output, doesn't support File
Send as an embeded email in Outlook, doesn't support a catalog merge with
images, doesn't support a Pack & Go, doesn't support the ability to save as
older versions to share with other PagePlus users for editing, 24 item
clipboard, hundreds of professional online templates free for download from
Microsoft, continuous online help updates, graphics manager for locating
multiple objects in a Publication for replacing (at least not that I have
found), smart tags that connect to stocks, encyclopedias and searches (which
also include the ability to add parental controls to the smart links/tags in
Publisher publications), shared workspace for sharepoint services, design
checker, and let me know if I should keep going.

However, I do enjoy Serif's advantage with built in PDF, with PDF Hyperlink
support, and PDF security, it's drawing tools and it's ability to center
webpages in browsers, unlike Publisher. And I enjoy the Serif Community as
much as I do the Publisher community. Great people, great ideas. And Dale
and Patrick at Serif are also excellent guys.

Again, to each his own. I do recommend both products of course, but I am a
bit biased to what I know very well. And I know Publisher very well.
--
Brian Kvalheim
Microsoft Publisher MVP
http://www.publishermvps.com
~pay it forward~

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
confers no rights.


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Old July 20th, 2004, 03:15 AM
°°MS-Publisher°°
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BELOW in Red

"Brian Kvalheim - [MSFT MVP]" wrote in message ...
PagePlus links pictures PROPERLY without any issues,


While this is a known bug in Publisher, it has no effect on creating a
newspaper. It just happens that the picture is linked AND embeded.

If you do embed a picture in PagePlus it retains the picture in original
format - unlike Publisher which blows them up.


Not true. At least not true in Publisher 2002/2003

Brian it is true. If you put in a JPG into a Publisher doco it converts it to a PNG internally which is a larger file than a JPG. So I am totally correct in my original post.

PagePlus has the Portfolio feature which is just magic for re-using

objects.

As does Pubilsher. The Design Gallery performs the same as the Portfolio.
You can re-use publisher objects, html objects, text objects, clipart, smart
objects, etc.

Brian come on lets be real here. Comparing the Publisher Design Gallery to the PagePlus Portfolio is like comparing george w bush to a rat. The rat wins hands down every time. The Publisher Design Gallery is not a patch on the Serif PagePlus Portfolio.

PagePlus has a FULL set of defaults that work


As does Publisher 2002/2003. And if you are looking beyond
margin/tab/paragraph/font defaults, there is a free add-in available for
adding even more defaults. In fact, with the Object Model in Publisher, it
almost unlimited.

Brian PagePlus requires NO add-ins, it is all built into the program. If you were honest you would admit the add-ins for Publisher are amateurish in the extreme in operation. The Object Model in Publisher is about as useful as the tits on a bull.

PagePlus has a comprehensive and highly useful set of drawing tools far

more
suited to creating things for a newspaper than Publisher.

Publisher does indeed have excellent drawing tools. However, comprehensive
drawing tools should be left to drawing programs for serious drawing. That
is why Serif offers the excellent DrawPlus for an additional fee.

Brian the built in drawing tools in DrawPlus are ideal for creating advertisements and basic design artwork within the PagePlus program. DrawPlus is a substantially higher level drawing program than the requirements for the basic type functional features required for a newspaper.

PagePlus has FX effects which Publisher has no answer to.


Publisher has VBA for programming routine functions, say in a newspaper for
print for commericial printing, which PagePlus has no answer to. Not to
mention, users of older versions of PagePlus have no way of opening files
sent to them in newer versions. And if you want FX effects, get a drawing
program.

Brian you continually harp on about the VBA functions, but as you know few to nobody use them as Publisher users don't want to be programmers. Now that you always rave on about the VBA functions in Publisher then show us all the VBA examples you have done and your portfolio of improved artwork.
What is this horse manure about PagePlus not being able to open files from older versions. Which planet are you living on. Of course PagePlus can open files from older versions. Brian perhaps you need to read all the posts here about all the problems people have opening Publisher files and often in the same version!!!

PagePlus has PDF built in with no extras to buy


Plenty of free alternatives for Publisher. No extras to buy.

Brian get real will you. None of the free alternatives are up to the functionality or the need of CMYK and printer settings.


PagePlus converts to HTML without any issues and will retain the format
including columns if they want to publish the newspaper as HTML or of

course
PDF.


Publisher converts to HTML just fine, PDF can be converted via a free
printer driver.

Brian that is a total and complete lie and you know it. Under NO circumstances will Publisher convert columns to HTML and you have to spend hours fixing up the file conversion from print to HTML to get it to look decent. There is NO way you can convert directly a Publisher file into a good quality HTML acceptable file like you can a Serif PagePlus file.

Publisher has no ability to convert the document directly to HTML


Publisher indeed does.

PagePlus has a TOC (Table of Contents) or an Index function.


Publisher does not. However, over 90% of the systems running Publisher have
Microsoft Word, which is superior for making TOC's and Index, which can be
accessed and used in Publisher. And as noted by Mikes excellent PagePlus
created newspaper, the TOC remains consistent in a template each issue.
Publisher can use the same feature, and on top of that use Smart Objects
that once you enter a TOC title, it also automagically adds the title to a
corresponding text box for that particular story.

Brian you trying to defend the indefensible again. Attempting/trying to make a TOC in Word for a newspaper is about as daft as you can get.

PagePlus has up to 99 undo's


Publisher 2002/2003 is unlimited (except via the memory). I remember when I
pointed out that the new Works was better than the old Works 4.5 because of
it's unlimited undo and you said that "you are pathetic if you need that
many undo's". Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm? :-)

It is a NO contest between Publisher and PagePlus to do a weekly

newspaper.

Depends on the user. I have had Serif PagePlus on my system for Version 4.0,
8.0 and 9.0 and have found nothing compelling to TAKE me away from
Publisher. They both have their advantages and disadvantages. You use which
ever you are comfortable with.

I don't want to take you away from Publisher, but for a weekly newspaper Serif PagePlus is a substantially superior tool to Publisher for all the right reasons. PagePlus is the right tool for the job.

Publisher is aimed more at the small business user and is more suitable

for
short documents, flyers, invitations etc. etc.


And long documents, full color magazines, newspapers, etc. I have 4 issues
of RC (Radio Control) Magazine from England. It looks just like the
MotorTrends/People high quality magazines, and is done entirely in
Publisher, and sold at their magazine stands and drug stores. Granted, they
don't have as fancy of camera's, so the pictures are not quite as perfect as
say GQ, but it's awesome quality none the less.

Brian I have done probably more books and long documents in Publisher than anybody and know only too well what is and what is not required. PagePlus is a superior program for long documents.

Sure Publisher is a good program, but it has far to many limitations and
falls down in so many areas to do a larger document, and especially a

weekly
newspaper where speed and functionality is so important.


Not true. If you wanted to get nit picky, I could ramble on how PagePlus
doesn't have a translation feature, isn't supported in as many
countries/languages, doesn't support *.mht output, doesn't support File
Send as an embeded email in Outlook, doesn't support a catalog merge with
images, doesn't support a Pack & Go, doesn't support the ability to save as
older versions to share with other PagePlus users for editing, 24 item
clipboard, hundreds of professional online templates free for download from
Microsoft, continuous online help updates, graphics manager for locating
multiple objects in a Publication for replacing (at least not that I have
found), smart tags that connect to stocks, encyclopedias and searches (which
also include the ability to add parental controls to the smart links/tags in
Publisher publications), shared workspace for sharepoint services, design
checker, and let me know if I should keep going.

Brian who wants a translation feature, who needs MHT output, who wants the Catalogue Merge in a newspaper, who cares about Outlook as I don't even have that dog loaded on my system. PagePlus has a Scheme, Resource, Text, Bookmark and Hyperlink Manager some of which Publisher does not have. If you put a hyperlink into PagePlus it will make the Hyperlink in the PDF and HTML which Publisher WILL NOT do. In Publisher you have to go and put these all in manually after you make the HTML or PDF. We are talking about what is suitable for a weekly newspaper. As I have always said both programs have their better features for certain jobs, and I am the first to say that if you are doing any serious work it is best to own Serif PagePlus and MS Publisher so you can choose the better program suited to the job you are going to do.

However, I do enjoy Serif's advantage with built in PDF, with PDF Hyperlink
support, and PDF security, it's drawing tools and it's ability to center
webpages in browsers, unlike Publisher. And I enjoy the Serif Community as
much as I do the Publisher community. Great people, great ideas. And Dale
and Patrick at Serif are also excellent guys.

Again, to each his own. I do recommend both products of course, but I am a
bit biased to what I know very well. And I know Publisher very well.

I also recommend both products, but for a weekly newspaper or longer documents like magazines with adverts etc. PagePlus is a substantially better program for the job.
--
Brian Kvalheim

 




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