"Copy" anti-fraud watermark?

G'day Guy Worthington,

I just have an interest in forgery, and
was curious to know how you can stop someone xerox copying your work
without the use of special paper.

Ah - that is quite different again. The answer is unbelievably simple:

Use dark red stock, print using 50% gray

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Guy Worthington reckoned:

Word Heretic wrote:
Guy Worthington wrote:

How do I cope with [kooks on the internet]?

Well, it depends what variety. These days I have been taking my lead
directly from the MVPs and not being so provocative.

They are tolerant, or perhaps they're just not reckless.

Over the years I have had plenty of "You arent helping people,
you are just showing off" etc sorta hate mails.

Hate mail? You must be dealing with a better class of kook.
The boobs who write to me can't string two thoughts together -
I mean who writes as an entire --ing correspondence:

' YOU ARE THE FEMALE

[letters] I love to hate: the "I'm a total beginner and need you guys
to program me up a missile launch system using Tahoma 3 pt fonts only"
or the "I am about to finish an amazing ultra commercial tool I am
going to sell back to you for mega bucks and need your free development
advice on some extremely technical issue that we both know cant be solved
by less than 4 pages of closeset text".

Nup, I'm the other type - more of a tomcat protection racketeer: "Toss
me a sardine, or I'll spray your front doormat." Or in this case:
"Program me up a missile launch system using Tahoma 3 pt fonts only,
or I'll spray your front doormat."

I used to arc up at those, I am currently reserving judgement on my
urination vector until I determine which direction the wind is blowing.

I had a dog, the dumbest dog in the world; used to test which way the
wind was blowing, cock his leg to give his piddle a high trajectory,
and then let gravity and wind spray it back onto him. I loved that dog,
not a clue.

Some of it just falls into the bucket of I'm a long-time correspondant
with Buckley's chance of ever being an MVP despite their public
statements on the 'club'.

You're too jaunticed to be an MVP. Anyway, you can't be a word heretic
and be officially sanctioned - that would be just confusing.

What I'd like to know is what you know about steganography.

AFAIK this subject has NEVER been discussed before, but I
implemented it in my Word products before they went on sale for the
first time a few years ago. This then leads to the second point, why
on Earth would I divulge my secret method of copy-protection publicly?

You'd better take this offlist quick if you really expect a sensible
answer. The quick answer is a better working definition of
steganography for you: the art of hiding information in plain view.
Think about the microdot messages from WWII... Some would also say my
ravings about technical Word issues also fit the bill...

Hey no need to shoo me away with the straw broom. As it happens, I've
no commercial interest in protecting what I write. (I can barely stand
having to read my own words, and certainly wouldn't expect anyone else
to have to pay to read them). I just have an interest in forgery, and
was curious to know how you can stop someone xerox copying your work
without the use of special paper.

Beth Melton wrote:
Word Heretic wrote:

You've seriously lost me here, Steve.

I'm not sure how wondering if spamgourmet.com doesn't work as
advertised or if harvesting email addresses has died down around here
led you to think whatever it is you are thinking, which I'm still
trying to figure out...

The first one's got me beat, but the other two are cat references,
and I'm pretty good at cat references.

LOL! Are you for real here? If so, is your subliminal message really
suggesting a reward was posted for size 12 boots with cat fur linings?
Mine is 6 below rings your bell when you only take baby steps...

No --ing idea, what that means.

We're on the prowl, the tins need turning, as I start to howl I hear
the world burning. Hep-atitis ... catzz....

That hurt Beth. We are out shaking the thang, hanging the wild ones,
and you crush us so harshly. So tersely...

Life may be short, but we have so much to do with in it ;-)

Braving every turn hurts. My eyes long to occipitate nothingness.

Written like a jazz composition, lynx eyes, milk tins, hepatitis -
it's a reference to Circe in Joyce's "Ulysses." And since there's
only two of us, and a lowly tomcat can only be a familiar, I'll leave
it up to you to guess who's the witch.

And thus, we see naught yet tis plain, and is seen in plain sight,
with naught but a Lewis Carrol rabbit to chase us through the long
fields of life.

Too easy: the red cat/queen. Again, I think it's addressed to you.

Now, when one has a rich textual context within which to ensnare
these pearls of wisdom, one can hide much of what is plain, in plain
sight without being seen.

Now you're just been teased.

Ohhhhhhhh!!!!! NOW I get it.

Nope. Merely on my own weekly/weekend 'prowl'. ;-)

~Beth Melton

"Word Heretic" wrote in message
...
G'day Beth baby,

LOL! Are you for real here? If so, is your subliminal message really
suggesting a reward was posted for size 12 boots with cat fur
linings?
Mine is 6 below rings your bell when you only take baby steps...

We're on the prowl, the tins need turning, as I start to howl I hear
the world burning. Hep-atitis ... catzz....

That hurt Beth. We are out shaking the thang, hanging the wild ones,
and you crush us so harshly. So tersely...

Life may be short, but we have so much to do with in it ;-)

Braving every turn hurts. My eyes long to occipitate nothingness.

And thus, we see naught yet tis plain, and is seen in plain sight,
with naught but a Lewis Carrol rabbit to chase us through the long
fields of life.

Now, when one has a rich textual context within which to ensnare
these
pearls of wisdom, one can hide much of what is plain, in plain sight
without being seen.

Word Heretic wrote:
Guy Worthington reckoned:

Reckoned? that would suggest I think before I write.
If the truth be known, I've such a loathing of the word
'proactive' (and the contemptible worms that use it instead
of words like 'fairness' and 'truthfullness'), that as
a silent protest, I no longer reckon - I simply react to
external stimuli. If you really want a diatribe, just
get me going on the subject of 'Quality Assurance, Market
Research, and --ing Business mission statements.' Mark my
words: 'proactive' will be shown to be the root cause
of the decline and fall of western civilisation (or at least
the part that counts - music and the arts).

I just have an interest in forgery, and was curious
to know how you can stop someone xerox copying your work
without the use of special paper.

Ah - that is quite different again. The answer is unbelievably simple:

Use dark red stock, print using 50% gray

Funnily enough, I have a quantity of foolscap red cardboard sheets
just lying around, so I fed one through a lazer printer, and then
xerox copyied the document. The resulting page was just black,
all the content was hidden.

By the way, even the original document is hard to read. (I glad I'm
not a spy because I think I'd prefer to start at a baboon's ass all
day than read black ink on a red background.)

G'day Puss,

'proactive' (and the contemptible worms that use it instead
of words like 'fairness' and 'truthfullness'),

As you obviously well know I pride myself on being pro-active.
Everyone but government loves it. Fairness and truthfulness have
utterly nothing to do with it. Get your hands dirty wherever it is
required, and especially before the mud slide hits the management.

As for calling me a contemptible worm, I would hardly expect less from
a true tom, but you've yet to sharpen your claws properly youngster.

... on the subject of 'Quality Assurance, Market
Research, and --ing Business mission statements.'

Hairs raise Mmmmm. sneezes delicately I sense an attempt to allude
to greater sandboxes than one has scratched in methinks. I've done a
lot of backyards with these toys in them...


Mark my words:

Sniffs No thanks, you already have and I'm not feeling territorial
enough to swipe a kitten.


'proactive' will be shown to be the root cause
of the decline and fall of western civilisation (or at least
the part that counts - music and the arts).

Your specious argument is easily foiled and you know it. coughs a fur
ball up, a small puff of smoke escapes with it Devo, proactive
musicians, did well. Proactive music agents dig up unheard of groups,
as do proactive music media groups and so on.

If it is this very proliferation of choice that concerns you, then you
may as well emulate your favourite dog. In truth, it is this very
principle that has brought the molting likes of yourself to MY
sandbox. Ears prick forward and stay


The resulting page was just black, all the content was hidden.

'Thank you' takes far fewer words and characters. Yes, I know, I'm a
genius, don't applaud, just throw ludicrous sums of money into my
paypal account so I can buy my own cage.


By the way, even the original document is hard to read.

Doh! Why do you think I picked dark red? Try black on dark green or
dark blue, you won't be able to read it unless you have my eyesight,
which far exceeds norm. To pass any data through one system and have
it fail another you have to analyse the comparative maxima and minima
of the performance curves. You simply differentiate twice over, in
different senses, well simultaneously solve two differentials at any
rate.


I glad I'm not a spy

Yes, it is not all it is cracked up to be. However, there are numerous
situations where businesses can benefit from this practical
technology.


I'd prefer to start at a baboon's ass

He feeds you, don't whinge.


Steve Hudson - Word Heretic
Want a hyperdimensional constifrog? S&M B&D? Don't see WordHeretic.com

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Guy Worthington reckoned:

Word Heretic wrote:
Guy Worthington reckoned:

Reckoned? that would suggest I think before I write.
If the truth be known, I've such a loathing of the word
'proactive' (and the contemptible worms that use it instead
of words like 'fairness' and 'truthfullness'), that as
a silent protest, I no longer reckon - I simply react to
external stimuli. If you really want a diatribe, just
get me going on the subject of 'Quality Assurance, Market
Research, and --ing Business mission statements.' Mark my
words: 'proactive' will be shown to be the root cause
of the decline and fall of western civilisation (or at least
the part that counts - music and the arts).

I just have an interest in forgery, and was curious
to know how you can stop someone xerox copying your work
without the use of special paper.

Ah - that is quite different again. The answer is unbelievably simple:

Use dark red stock, print using 50% gray

Funnily enough, I have a quantity of foolscap red cardboard sheets
just lying around, so I fed one through a lazer printer, and then
xerox copyied the document. The resulting page was just black,
all the content was hidden.

By the way, even the original document is hard to read. (I glad I'm
not a spy because I think I'd prefer to start at a baboon's ass all
day than read black ink on a red background.)

I think you guys need to get a room. g

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
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all may benefit.

"Word Heretic" wrote in message
...
G'day Puss,

'proactive' (and the contemptible worms that use it instead
of words like 'fairness' and 'truthfullness'),

As you obviously well know I pride myself on being pro-active.
Everyone but government loves it. Fairness and truthfulness have
utterly nothing to do with it. Get your hands dirty wherever it is
required, and especially before the mud slide hits the management.

As for calling me a contemptible worm, I would hardly expect less from
a true tom, but you've yet to sharpen your claws properly youngster.

... on the subject of 'Quality Assurance, Market
Research, and --ing Business mission statements.'

Hairs raise Mmmmm. sneezes delicately I sense an attempt to allude
to greater sandboxes than one has scratched in methinks. I've done a
lot of backyards with these toys in them...


Mark my words:

Sniffs No thanks, you already have and I'm not feeling territorial
enough to swipe a kitten.


'proactive' will be shown to be the root cause
of the decline and fall of western civilisation (or at least
the part that counts - music and the arts).

Your specious argument is easily foiled and you know it. coughs a fur
ball up, a small puff of smoke escapes with it Devo, proactive
musicians, did well. Proactive music agents dig up unheard of groups,
as do proactive music media groups and so on.

If it is this very proliferation of choice that concerns you, then you
may as well emulate your favourite dog. In truth, it is this very
principle that has brought the molting likes of yourself to MY
sandbox. Ears prick forward and stay


The resulting page was just black, all the content was hidden.

'Thank you' takes far fewer words and characters. Yes, I know, I'm a
genius, don't applaud, just throw ludicrous sums of money into my
paypal account so I can buy my own cage.


By the way, even the original document is hard to read.

Doh! Why do you think I picked dark red? Try black on dark green or
dark blue, you won't be able to read it unless you have my eyesight,
which far exceeds norm. To pass any data through one system and have
it fail another you have to analyse the comparative maxima and minima
of the performance curves. You simply differentiate twice over, in
different senses, well simultaneously solve two differentials at any
rate.


I glad I'm not a spy

Yes, it is not all it is cracked up to be. However, there are numerous
situations where businesses can benefit from this practical
technology.


I'd prefer to start at a baboon's ass

He feeds you, don't whinge.


Steve Hudson - Word Heretic
Want a hyperdimensional constifrog? S&M B&D? Don't see WordHeretic.com

steve from wordheretic.com (Email replies require payment)


Guy Worthington reckoned:

Word Heretic wrote:
Guy Worthington reckoned:

Reckoned? that would suggest I think before I write.
If the truth be known, I've such a loathing of the word
'proactive' (and the contemptible worms that use it instead
of words like 'fairness' and 'truthfullness'), that as
a silent protest, I no longer reckon - I simply react to
external stimuli. If you really want a diatribe, just
get me going on the subject of 'Quality Assurance, Market
Research, and --ing Business mission statements.' Mark my
words: 'proactive' will be shown to be the root cause
of the decline and fall of western civilisation (or at least
the part that counts - music and the arts).

I just have an interest in forgery, and was curious
to know how you can stop someone xerox copying your work
without the use of special paper.

Ah - that is quite different again. The answer is unbelievably simple:

Use dark red stock, print using 50% gray

Funnily enough, I have a quantity of foolscap red cardboard sheets
just lying around, so I fed one through a lazer printer, and then
xerox copyied the document. The resulting page was just black,
all the content was hidden.

By the way, even the original document is hard to read. (I glad I'm
not a spy because I think I'd prefer to start at a baboon's ass all
day than read black ink on a red background.)