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Access License In Terminal Server
Hello,
I am looking for an information form an expert in Microsoft office licensing concept. The pages that I read from Microsoft site did not really explain my case. Here is my case: I have developed a Microsoft Access 2000 application. It uses Access forms and reports and a few tables. Once I am done with the modification I create a mde for the users. We have a terminal server and citrix connection for the remote users. We publish mde file in the citrix and get users run it. (Published Application: They are not actually log in to the terminal server and see their desktop in there. They are launching the application and system logs them in and forward the application to their screen in remote computer). I installed Access 2000 to the terminal server because it was the fastest computer in our network, Even if I have Access 2000 installed on the terminal server, users are practically not able to use Access 2000 for any other purposes other then running this application and using the form and report. Microsoft site says I need license for each device connected to this terminal server. Our terminal server is actually for another application which is not Microsoft related. I am trying to get this Access application run by our users. Do I need Access 2000 license for each device that is connected to this terminal server? Thanks, Jim. |
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"JIM.H." wrote in message
... Hello, I am looking for an information form an expert in Microsoft office licensing concept. The pages that I read from Microsoft site did not really explain my case. Here is my case: I have developed a Microsoft Access 2000 application. It uses Access forms and reports and a few tables. Once I am done with the modification I create a mde for the users. We have a terminal server and citrix connection for the remote users. We publish mde file in the citrix and get users run it. (Published Application: They are not actually log in to the terminal server and see their desktop in there. They are launching the application and system logs them in and forward the application to their screen in remote computer). I installed Access 2000 to the terminal server because it was the fastest computer in our network, Even if I have Access 2000 installed on the terminal server, users are practically not able to use Access 2000 for any other purposes other then running this application and using the form and report. Microsoft site says I need license for each device connected to this terminal server. Our terminal server is actually for another application which is not Microsoft related. I am trying to get this Access application run by our users. Do I need Access 2000 license for each device that is connected to this terminal server? Thanks, Using Terminal Services does NOT negate the obligation that every user of each piece of software have a valid license. If you have 50 people using MS Access then you need to purchase 50 licenses, even if they are all doing so on a single Terminal Server. In fact, if each remote user does not have NT or higher of Windows then you need a license for them just for the Terminal Server session. I believe NT and above automatically includes one TS license. You could of course purchase the Developer's Version and install the Runtime on the Terminal Server. Then you would not need a license per user for Access. -- I don't check the Email account attached to this message. Send instead to... RBrandt at Hunter dot com |
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"Rick Brandt" wrote:
I believe NT and above automatically includes one TS license. I think Win 2000 did include such a TS license but Win XP does not. Or was it some other permutation? I have no idea now. You could of course purchase the Developer's Version and install the Runtime on the Terminal Server. Then you would not need a license per user for Access. Trouble is he'd have a great deal of trouble locating the A2000 Developers version although the A2003 version should run the A2000 MDE just fine. Tony -- Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP Please respond only in the newsgroups so that others can read the entire thread of messages. Microsoft Access Links, Hints, Tips & Accounting Systems at http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm |
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Access License In Terminal Server
"JIM.H." wrote:
We have a terminal server and citrix connection for the remote users. We publish mde file in the citrix and get users run it. (Published Application: Each user should have their own copy of the FE as well as otherwise you're chances of corrupting the FE are substantial. I specifically created the Auto FE Updater utility so that I could make changes to the FE MDE as often as I wanted and be quite confident that the next time someone went to run the app that it would pull in the latest version. For more info on the errors or the Auto FE Updater utility see the free Auto FE Updater utility at http://www.granite.ab.ca/access/autofe.htm at my website to keep the FE on each PC up to date. In a Terminal Server or Citrix environment the Auto FE Updater now supports creating a directory named after the user on a server. Given a choice put the FE on the Citrix server to reduce network traffic and to avoid having to load objects over the network which can be somewhat sluggish. Tony -- Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP Please respond only in the newsgroups so that others can read the entire thread of messages. Microsoft Access Links, Hints, Tips & Accounting Systems at http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm |
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Tony thanks for the reply.
I still feel that I did not get the answer of my question. My question is directly related with license. Users do not actually benefit any feature of Access 2000, they only use Access Forms/Reports application I created. (yes each user has its own mde file), it is like a run-time version. Why should I buy a license per device? If the user would log in terminal server and use Access 2000 for their own purposes I would understand that, but in our case, the users could not really use Access. Is there any document online explain this case? Thanks, Jim. -----Original Message----- "JIM.H." wrote: We have a terminal server and citrix connection for the remote users. We publish mde file in the citrix and get users run it. (Published Application: Each user should have their own copy of the FE as well as otherwise you're chances of corrupting the FE are substantial. I specifically created the Auto FE Updater utility so that I could make changes to the FE MDE as often as I wanted and be quite confident that the next time someone went to run the app that it would pull in the latest version. For more info on the errors or the Auto FE Updater utility see the free Auto FE Updater utility at http://www.granite.ab.ca/access/autofe.htm at my website to keep the FE on each PC up to date. In a Terminal Server or Citrix environment the Auto FE Updater now supports creating a directory named after the user on a server. Given a choice put the FE on the Citrix server to reduce network traffic and to avoid having to load objects over the network which can be somewhat sluggish. Tony -- Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP Please respond only in the newsgroups so that others can read the entire thread of messages. Microsoft Access Links, Hints, Tips & Accounting Systems at http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm . |
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You need a licence for each 'device' that will
/use/ Access 2000. If you have 500 citrix licences, and 1000 cubicles, and 3000 employees, and 2 employees will use Access 2000 at their desks, you need two licences: One for each desk. If the two employees move around, you need a licence for each workstation where they will use Access 2000. If all 3000 employees use Access 2000, but only at the 2 desks, you need 2 licences. One licence for each 'device'/workstation /cubicle/where Access 2000 will be used. You may be able to find another licensing agreement that permits you to use unlicensed workstations, but none of the Office EULAs that I have allow me to do that. However, if this is the only application that you have which will use Access 2000, you may wish to consider buying a copy of Office developer/ Office tools/whatever instead. You get unlimited Run-Time licences for Access. (david) "JIM.H." wrote in message ... Hello, I am looking for an information form an expert in Microsoft office licensing concept. The pages that I read from Microsoft site did not really explain my case. Here is my case: I have developed a Microsoft Access 2000 application. It uses Access forms and reports and a few tables. Once I am done with the modification I create a mde for the users. We have a terminal server and citrix connection for the remote users. We publish mde file in the citrix and get users run it. (Published Application: They are not actually log in to the terminal server and see their desktop in there. They are launching the application and system logs them in and forward the application to their screen in remote computer). I installed Access 2000 to the terminal server because it was the fastest computer in our network, Even if I have Access 2000 installed on the terminal server, users are practically not able to use Access 2000 for any other purposes other then running this application and using the form and report. Microsoft site says I need license for each device connected to this terminal server. Our terminal server is actually for another application which is not Microsoft related. I am trying to get this Access application run by our users. Do I need Access 2000 license for each device that is connected to this terminal server? Thanks, Jim. |
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I think Win 2000 did include such a TS license but Win XP does not.
Server versions do (so you can do remote admin). Personal versions do not. The dividing line between personal and server versions shifts around between releases of Windows. (david) |
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"JIM.H." wrote:
I still feel that I did not get the answer of my question. My question is directly related with license. Users do not actually benefit any feature of Access 2000, they only use Access Forms/Reports application I created. (yes each user has its own mde file), it is like a run-time version. Why should I buy a license per device? If the user would log in terminal server and use Access 2000 for their own purposes I would understand that, but in our case, the users could not really use Access. Is there any document online explain this case? I understand that yes your users are using Access as though it were a runtime. But legally speaking that's not good enough. You will actually have to purchase and install a runtime. Otherwise you must purchase enough licenses for your users. Tony -- Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP Please respond only in the newsgroups so that others can read the entire thread of messages. Microsoft Access Links, Hints, Tips & Accounting Systems at http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm |
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Thanks David. It is helpful a lot. One quetin in the text:
-----Original Message----- You need a licence for each 'device' that will /use/ Access 2000. If you have 500 citrix licences, and 1000 cubicles, and 3000 employees, and 2 employees will use Access 2000 at their desks, you need two licences: One for each desk. Jim: Here is my question; should there be a restriction on others users in running Access in their desk? This is the case for us: all the users have citrix connections for other programs, so I can not restrict their citrix access and we will be using Access 2000 in only one PC in the remote location through citrix. Should I be trying to find a way to restrict others Access 2000 access not to pay for a license more than one? If the two employees move around, you need a licence for each workstation where they will use Access 2000. If all 3000 employees use Access 2000, but only at the 2 desks, you need 2 licences. One licence for each 'device'/workstation /cubicle/where Access 2000 will be used. You may be able to find another licensing agreement that permits you to use unlicensed workstations, but none of the Office EULAs that I have allow me to do that. However, if this is the only application that you have which will use Access 2000, you may wish to consider buying a copy of Office developer/ Office tools/whatever instead. You get unlimited Run-Time licences for Access. (david) "JIM.H." wrote in message ... Hello, I am looking for an information form an expert in Microsoft office licensing concept. The pages that I read from Microsoft site did not really explain my case. Here is my case: I have developed a Microsoft Access 2000 application. It uses Access forms and reports and a few tables. Once I am done with the modification I create a mde for the users. We have a terminal server and citrix connection for the remote users. We publish mde file in the citrix and get users run it. (Published Application: They are not actually log in to the terminal server and see their desktop in there. They are launching the application and system logs them in and forward the application to their screen in remote computer). I installed Access 2000 to the terminal server because it was the fastest computer in our network, Even if I have Access 2000 installed on the terminal server, users are practically not able to use Access 2000 for any other purposes other then running this application and using the form and report. Microsoft site says I need license for each device connected to this terminal server. Our terminal server is actually for another application which is not Microsoft related. I am trying to get this Access application run by our users. Do I need Access 2000 license for each device that is connected to this terminal server? Thanks, Jim. . |
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remote location through citrix. Should I be trying to find
a way to restrict others Access 2000 access not to pay for a license more than one? That is between you, your auditors, and the courts. MS doesn't demand that you have a licence for every device /might/ be used, only for every device that /is/ used. You only have to ensure that you don't /use/ a desk where Access is not licensed, and that you can demonstrate the facts if asked. Obviously, the EASY, DEPENDABLE way to ensure & demonstrate is to restrict access, but simple office management and supervision might be enough in a well managed and well supervised office. I /think/ that you will find that you can (give full rights to the users, then) install Access to the user profile, rather than the machine profile, but I am sure that there are plenty of well documented ways to enforce licence restrictions through Citrix. (david) "JIM.H." wrote in message ... Thanks David. It is helpful a lot. One quetin in the text: -----Original Message----- You need a licence for each 'device' that will /use/ Access 2000. If you have 500 citrix licences, and 1000 cubicles, and 3000 employees, and 2 employees will use Access 2000 at their desks, you need two licences: One for each desk. Jim: Here is my question; should there be a restriction on others users in running Access in their desk? This is the case for us: all the users have citrix connections for other programs, so I can not restrict their citrix access and we will be using Access 2000 in only one PC in the remote location through citrix. Should I be trying to find a way to restrict others Access 2000 access not to pay for a license more than one? If the two employees move around, you need a licence for each workstation where they will use Access 2000. If all 3000 employees use Access 2000, but only at the 2 desks, you need 2 licences. One licence for each 'device'/workstation /cubicle/where Access 2000 will be used. You may be able to find another licensing agreement that permits you to use unlicensed workstations, but none of the Office EULAs that I have allow me to do that. However, if this is the only application that you have which will use Access 2000, you may wish to consider buying a copy of Office developer/ Office tools/whatever instead. You get unlimited Run-Time licences for Access. (david) "JIM.H." wrote in message ... Hello, I am looking for an information form an expert in Microsoft office licensing concept. The pages that I read from Microsoft site did not really explain my case. Here is my case: I have developed a Microsoft Access 2000 application. It uses Access forms and reports and a few tables. Once I am done with the modification I create a mde for the users. We have a terminal server and citrix connection for the remote users. We publish mde file in the citrix and get users run it. (Published Application: They are not actually log in to the terminal server and see their desktop in there. They are launching the application and system logs them in and forward the application to their screen in remote computer). I installed Access 2000 to the terminal server because it was the fastest computer in our network, Even if I have Access 2000 installed on the terminal server, users are practically not able to use Access 2000 for any other purposes other then running this application and using the form and report. Microsoft site says I need license for each device connected to this terminal server. Our terminal server is actually for another application which is not Microsoft related. I am trying to get this Access application run by our users. Do I need Access 2000 license for each device that is connected to this terminal server? Thanks, Jim. . |
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