Multidimensional Forms/Tables

I looked through all the 7/15/05 and 7/29/05 posts and there are no posts on
either date by you. A google search does not turn up any posts by you for
the past three years.


"David Mueller" wrote in message
...
I can't believe you tried to drop that smelly old argumentum ad hominem on
this group!

If anyone lacks credibility it is you since I have three contributory
posts
on this forum: two dated 7/29/05; one dated 7/15/05; in addition to a
question for help.

Although it has nothing to do with the issue at hand - David Mueller is my
real name.


"PC Datasheet" wrote:

You have no credibility whoever you are!

You have not posted or responded in the Access newsgroups in the past
three
years and you hide behind discussions.microsoft.com trying to avoid being
traced.

Steve


"David Mueller" wrote in message
news
Steve,

My dad, who clicks twice when he only needs to click once, already
knows
that newsgroups are not the place for commercial activity. If Sharan
wanted
for-hire services she wouldn't have posted here. You know that!!!

a large number of participants in this newsgroup are opposed to your
crass
commercial activities

I am one of the large number of participants in this newsgroup that is
opposed to your commercial activites. And just because its Columbus
Day,
and
I don't have much to do, I'll waste my time to tell you.

Normally, the large number of us don't bother to post, but from now on,
I
think I will. Most of us roll our eyes and grunt over at the 15-20
seconds
it
took for your post to load, and for us to read it. That is 20 seconds
of
our
lives that we'll never get back.

You write well enough that I know you're not as thick as you act. For
someone who admits to reading news groups for many years, you know darn
well
that solicitation/commercial activity is not welcome.


What concrete evidence do you have to support this statement?


Stop hiding behind a lack of concrete evidence. Social groups have
what
are
called mores (mo * res) that are not documented, but are accepted and
expected of the group.

Please move on to something else.

Found at least one, Steve.

http://groups.google.com/group/micro...fd7da3d0be89be

Doesn't speak well for your Googling skills...

--
Doug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP
http://I.Am/DougSteele
(no e-mails, please!)


"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
news
I looked through all the 7/15/05 and 7/29/05 posts and there are no posts
on
either date by you. A google search does not turn up any posts by you for
the past three years.


"David Mueller" wrote in message
...
I can't believe you tried to drop that smelly old argumentum ad hominem
on
this group!

If anyone lacks credibility it is you since I have three contributory
posts
on this forum: two dated 7/29/05; one dated 7/15/05; in addition to a
question for help.

Although it has nothing to do with the issue at hand - David Mueller is
my
real name.


"PC Datasheet" wrote:

You have no credibility whoever you are!

You have not posted or responded in the Access newsgroups in the past
three
years and you hide behind discussions.microsoft.com trying to avoid
being
traced.

Steve


"David Mueller" wrote in
message
news Steve,

My dad, who clicks twice when he only needs to click once, already
knows
that newsgroups are not the place for commercial activity. If Sharan
wanted
for-hire services she wouldn't have posted here. You know that!!!

a large number of participants in this newsgroup are opposed to
your
crass
commercial activities

I am one of the large number of participants in this newsgroup that
is
opposed to your commercial activites. And just because its Columbus
Day,
and
I don't have much to do, I'll waste my time to tell you.

Normally, the large number of us don't bother to post, but from now
on,
I
think I will. Most of us roll our eyes and grunt over at the 15-20
seconds
it
took for your post to load, and for us to read it. That is 20
seconds
of
our
lives that we'll never get back.

You write well enough that I know you're not as thick as you act.
For
someone who admits to reading news groups for many years, you know
darn
well
that solicitation/commercial activity is not welcome.


What concrete evidence do you have to support this statement?


Stop hiding behind a lack of concrete evidence. Social groups have
what
are
called mores (mo * res) that are not documented, but are accepted and
expected of the group.

Please move on to something else.

Nice bit of lawyering.

The full phrase was...
"As a member of this community, I was just reminding you that these
newsgroups were provided
so that users can obtain free help not a means for you to solicit business.
When you post any of your "call me" messages, you need to indicate that
unlike other offers of help, your help comes at a price."

I was not condoning your activity, I was reminding you that if you are going
to continue soliciting, you should at least give the users fair warning.

John... Visio MVP


"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Your statements are simply not true! Below are direct quotes from the
previous thread. Your last line explicitly suggests that I indictate my
offer of help is fee-based in my "call me" messages. I took your
suggestion since then and have tried to do that in each "call me" message.
Take a look at my response in this thread. I said "My fees are very
reasonable"; just as you suggested.


I know that and provide a lot of free support in the Access newsgroups!

True, but that is not the issue you are being taken to task on. It is your
offering to help without disclosing the cost.

..... When you post any of your "call me" messages, you need to indicate
that
unlike other offers of help, your help comes at a price.

Steve


"John Marshall, MVP" wrote in message
...
What has posting a question or an answer got to do with credibility? He
raises a legitimate point, but you respond by personally attacking him.
The newsgroups are full of lurkers who find answers to their questions or
enhance their knowledge by reading the newsgroups without having to post
a question or an answer, .

Are you such a novice to newsgroups that you do not understand that David
uses disucussions.microsoft.com as part of his user name to prevent his
email address being harvested? I'm willing to bet his name really is
David Mueller and that your parents names are not the Datasheets.

You enjoy twisting comments about your behaviour to fit your behaviour.
Are you sure you are not a lawyer? You have the ambulance chasing part
down pat.

In a previous thread I mentioned that at least someone did mention that
there was cost to their help. You twisted that to be that I considered
that form of advertising was ok. I consider that case to be similar to
someone tossing a hand grenade in a room versus someone tossing a hand
grenade in a room and yelling DUCK! The second version is slightly better
because it did warn the occupants about what could happen, but that does
not mean I agree with throwing hand grenades into occupied rooms.

John... Visio MVP

"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
link.net...
You have no credibility whoever you are!

You have not posted or responded in the Access newsgroups in the past
three years and you hide behind discussions.microsoft.com trying to
avoid being traced.

Steve


"David Mueller" wrote in
message news Steve,

My dad, who clicks twice when he only needs to click once, already
knows
that newsgroups are not the place for commercial activity. If Sharan
wanted
for-hire services she wouldn't have posted here. You know that!!!

a large number of participants in this newsgroup are opposed to your
crass
commercial activities

I am one of the large number of participants in this newsgroup that is
opposed to your commercial activites. And just because its Columbus
Day, and
I don't have much to do, I'll waste my time to tell you.

Normally, the large number of us don't bother to post, but from now on,
I
think I will. Most of us roll our eyes and grunt over at the 15-20
seconds it
took for your post to load, and for us to read it. That is 20 seconds
of our
lives that we'll never get back.

You write well enough that I know you're not as thick as you act. For
someone who admits to reading news groups for many years, you know darn
well
that solicitation/commercial activity is not welcome.


What concrete evidence do you have to support this statement?


Stop hiding behind a lack of concrete evidence. Social groups have
what are
called mores (mo * res) that are not documented, but are accepted and
expected of the group.

Please move on to something else.

And I have been doing just as you suggested. I said "My fees are very
reasonable" in this thread.

Now that I am not offering to help without disclosing the cost; what's the
problem?

Steve


"John Marshall, MVP" wrote in message
...
Nice bit of lawyering.

The full phrase was...
"As a member of this community, I was just reminding you that these
newsgroups were provided
so that users can obtain free help not a means for you to solicit
business.
When you post any of your "call me" messages, you need to indicate that
unlike other offers of help, your help comes at a price."

I was not condoning your activity, I was reminding you that if you are
going to continue soliciting, you should at least give the users fair
warning.

John... Visio MVP


"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Your statements are simply not true! Below are direct quotes from the
previous thread. Your last line explicitly suggests that I indictate my
offer of help is fee-based in my "call me" messages. I took your
suggestion since then and have tried to do that in each "call me"
message. Take a look at my response in this thread. I said "My fees are
very reasonable"; just as you suggested.


I know that and provide a lot of free support in the Access newsgroups!

True, but that is not the issue you are being taken to task on. It is
your
offering to help without disclosing the cost.

..... When you post any of your "call me" messages, you need to indicate
that
unlike other offers of help, your help comes at a price.

Steve


"John Marshall, MVP" wrote in message
...
What has posting a question or an answer got to do with credibility? He
raises a legitimate point, but you respond by personally attacking him.
The newsgroups are full of lurkers who find answers to their questions
or enhance their knowledge by reading the newsgroups without having to
post a question or an answer, .

Are you such a novice to newsgroups that you do not understand that
David uses disucussions.microsoft.com as part of his user name to
prevent his email address being harvested? I'm willing to bet his name
really is David Mueller and that your parents names are not the
Datasheets.

You enjoy twisting comments about your behaviour to fit your behaviour.
Are you sure you are not a lawyer? You have the ambulance chasing part
down pat.

In a previous thread I mentioned that at least someone did mention that
there was cost to their help. You twisted that to be that I considered
that form of advertising was ok. I consider that case to be similar to
someone tossing a hand grenade in a room versus someone tossing a hand
grenade in a room and yelling DUCK! The second version is slightly
better because it did warn the occupants about what could happen, but
that does not mean I agree with throwing hand grenades into occupied
rooms.

John... Visio MVP

"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
link.net...
You have no credibility whoever you are!

You have not posted or responded in the Access newsgroups in the past
three years and you hide behind discussions.microsoft.com trying to
avoid being traced.

Steve


"David Mueller" wrote in
message news Steve,

My dad, who clicks twice when he only needs to click once, already
knows
that newsgroups are not the place for commercial activity. If Sharan
wanted
for-hire services she wouldn't have posted here. You know that!!!

a large number of participants in this newsgroup are opposed to
your crass
commercial activities

I am one of the large number of participants in this newsgroup that is
opposed to your commercial activites. And just because its Columbus
Day, and
I don't have much to do, I'll waste my time to tell you.

Normally, the large number of us don't bother to post, but from now
on, I
think I will. Most of us roll our eyes and grunt over at the 15-20
seconds it
took for your post to load, and for us to read it. That is 20 seconds
of our
lives that we'll never get back.

You write well enough that I know you're not as thick as you act. For
someone who admits to reading news groups for many years, you know
darn well
that solicitation/commercial activity is not welcome.


What concrete evidence do you have to support this statement?


Stop hiding behind a lack of concrete evidence. Social groups have
what are
called mores (mo * res) that are not documented, but are accepted and
expected of the group.

Please move on to something else.

Marsh,

Explain what is "irritating" by fee-based offers of help to posters.

Steve


"Marshall Barton" wrote in message
...
David, there is absolutely no need for you to defend
yourself from such an obviously spurious attack. Your
credibility is every bit as good as anyone's and better than
that of someone with an established pattern of irritating
behavior.
--
Marsh


David Mueller wrote:
I can't believe you tried to drop that smelly old argumentum ad hominem on
this group!

If anyone lacks credibility it is you since I have three contributory
posts
on this forum: two dated 7/29/05; one dated 7/15/05; in addition to a
question for help.

Although it has nothing to do with the issue at hand - David Mueller is my
real name.


"PC Datasheet" wrote:
You have no credibility whoever you are!

You have not posted or responded in the Access newsgroups in the past
three
years and you hide behind discussions.microsoft.com trying to avoid
being
traced.

Steve

Doug,

Note he said "...on this forum..." This is microsoft.public.access.forms.

And BTW, you still haven't answered my question ---
a large number of participants in this newsgroup are opposed to your crass
commercial activities

What concrete evidence do you have to support this statement?

Steve




"Douglas J Steele" wrote in message
...
Found at least one, Steve.

http://groups.google.com/group/micro...fd7da3d0be89be

Doesn't speak well for your Googling skills...

--
Doug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP
http://I.Am/DougSteele
(no e-mails, please!)


"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
news
I looked through all the 7/15/05 and 7/29/05 posts and there are no posts
on
either date by you. A google search does not turn up any posts by you for
the past three years.


"David Mueller" wrote in message
...
I can't believe you tried to drop that smelly old argumentum ad hominem
on
this group!

If anyone lacks credibility it is you since I have three contributory
posts
on this forum: two dated 7/29/05; one dated 7/15/05; in addition to a
question for help.

Although it has nothing to do with the issue at hand - David Mueller is
my
real name.


"PC Datasheet" wrote:

You have no credibility whoever you are!

You have not posted or responded in the Access newsgroups in the past
three
years and you hide behind discussions.microsoft.com trying to avoid
being
traced.

Steve


"David Mueller" wrote in
message
news Steve,

My dad, who clicks twice when he only needs to click once, already
knows
that newsgroups are not the place for commercial activity. If
Sharan
wanted
for-hire services she wouldn't have posted here. You know that!!!

a large number of participants in this newsgroup are opposed to
your
crass
commercial activities

I am one of the large number of participants in this newsgroup that
is
opposed to your commercial activites. And just because its Columbus
Day,
and
I don't have much to do, I'll waste my time to tell you.

Normally, the large number of us don't bother to post, but from now
on,
I
think I will. Most of us roll our eyes and grunt over at the 15-20
seconds
it
took for your post to load, and for us to read it. That is 20
seconds
of
our
lives that we'll never get back.

You write well enough that I know you're not as thick as you act.
For
someone who admits to reading news groups for many years, you know
darn
well
that solicitation/commercial activity is not welcome.


What concrete evidence do you have to support this statement?


Stop hiding behind a lack of concrete evidence. Social groups have
what
are
called mores (mo * res) that are not documented, but are accepted
and
expected of the group.

Please move on to something else.

a large number of participants in this newsgroup support your crass
commercial activities

What concrete evidence do you have to support this statement?

John...

Just because you interpret "this forum" to be limited to a single newsgroup
does not make it so.

And to answer your question (even though I suspect it's going to make any
difference to you), I base my comment on the fact that no one is supporting
you, but a non-insignificant number of people are taking you to task.

The fact that your marketing posts violate the standard rules of newsgroups
(as evidenced by the various references posted by Duane) is also a factor.
Microsoft may have chosen to tone down the rules they published, but that
doesn't negate the fact that these are NNTP newsgroups, which have a body of
rules that predates Microsoft's foray into newsgroups.


--
Doug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP
http://I.Am/DougSteele
(no e-mails, please!)


"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
link.net...
Doug,

Note he said "...on this forum..." This is microsoft.public.access.forms.

And BTW, you still haven't answered my question ---
a large number of participants in this newsgroup are opposed to your
crass
commercial activities

What concrete evidence do you have to support this statement?

Steve




"Douglas J Steele" wrote in message
...
Found at least one, Steve.


http://groups.google.com/group/micro...fd7da3d0be89be

Doesn't speak well for your Googling skills...

--
Doug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP
http://I.Am/DougSteele
(no e-mails, please!)


"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
news
I looked through all the 7/15/05 and 7/29/05 posts and there are no
posts
on
either date by you. A google search does not turn up any posts by you
for
the past three years.


"David Mueller" wrote in
message
...
I can't believe you tried to drop that smelly old argumentum ad
hominem
on
this group!

If anyone lacks credibility it is you since I have three contributory
posts
on this forum: two dated 7/29/05; one dated 7/15/05; in addition to a
question for help.

Although it has nothing to do with the issue at hand - David Mueller
is
my
real name.


"PC Datasheet" wrote:

You have no credibility whoever you are!

You have not posted or responded in the Access newsgroups in the
past
three
years and you hide behind discussions.microsoft.com trying to avoid
being
traced.

Steve


"David Mueller" wrote in
message
news Steve,

My dad, who clicks twice when he only needs to click once, already
knows
that newsgroups are not the place for commercial activity. If
Sharan
wanted
for-hire services she wouldn't have posted here. You know that!!!

a large number of participants in this newsgroup are opposed to
your
crass
commercial activities

I am one of the large number of participants in this newsgroup
that
is
opposed to your commercial activites. And just because its
Columbus
Day,
and
I don't have much to do, I'll waste my time to tell you.

Normally, the large number of us don't bother to post, but from
now
on,
I
think I will. Most of us roll our eyes and grunt over at the 15-20
seconds
it
took for your post to load, and for us to read it. That is 20
seconds
of
our
lives that we'll never get back.

You write well enough that I know you're not as thick as you act.
For
someone who admits to reading news groups for many years, you know
darn
well
that solicitation/commercial activity is not welcome.


What concrete evidence do you have to support this statement?


Stop hiding behind a lack of concrete evidence. Social groups
have
what
are
called mores (mo * res) that are not documented, but are accepted
and
expected of the group.

Please move on to something else.

Duane,

I don't make any claims to being "special". I am not even a MVP. I am just
sincerely trying to help selected posters get a solution to their problem at
a very reasonable fee. And again I provide free support/advise tenfold to my
posts offering fee-based help. I followed the suggestion of a MVP some time
ago and try to always make it clear in my offers that it is fee-based. I
only advertise in my sig like numerous MVPs and other consultants and I
don't globally solicit.

This morning there were two emails in my inbox asking for fee-based help.
The posters were from the newsgroups. This makes 11 requests since I posted
my offer for fee-based help to Sharan in this thread four days ago. I have
completed 8 of the previous 9 requests and my total fees was $900. One
requestor commented he had proposals from other MVPs who frequently respond
in the newsgroups and all had fees at least four times my fees. He said one
had fees over the $900 total fees I have received from the eight requests
for help I completed. The 11 requests are a little above the average I
receive each week. This morning's two requests put me over 1000 requests for
the past four years.

People go to the newsgroups seeking solutions to legitimate problems and for
whatever reason do not always find the solution. The problem does not go
away and these people then need an alternative resource for solving their
problem. The core purpose of the newsgroups is to provide Access users with
an Access related problem a means to finding a solution to their problem.
This is why the Rules of Conduct read the way they do, "We ask that you
refrain from posting advertisements or solicitations that do not pertain
directly to the intended use and purpose of the newsgroup or chat." I
provided that alternative resource for help to the 1000 posters.

So here is my question to you again ----
On a scale of 0 to 10, rate your feeling for what you would like to see as
to what percentage of posters with a legitimate problem gets his problem
solved from the newsgroups where 0 is None and 10 is All.

Steve



"Duane Hookom" wrote in message
...
Why should I answer your questions when you have ignored mine?

My question that you ignored is "Why is Steve/PC Datasheet special that he
should be able to use these NGs to fish for work when others don't?"

--
Duane Hookom
MS Access MVP


"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
ink.net...
Duane,

The question put to you is a legitimate question and deserves a
legitimate answer not an Arno R response.

Steve


"Duane Hookom" wrote in message
...
On a scale of 0 to 10 I believe your understanding or acceptance of your
behavior is a 0.

Contact me at my email address below if you would like assistance with
explaining this further. My fees are very reasonable.

--
Duane Hookom
DuaneHookom AT nospam Hotmail dot nospam com
MS Access MVP


"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
link.net...
Duane,

So answer this ----
On a scale of 0 to 10, rate your feeling for what you would like to see
as to what percentage of posters with a legitimate problem gets his
problem solved from the newsgroups where 0 is None and 10 is All.

Steve


"Duane Hookom" wrote in message
...
1. You are an Access expert and could answer any question posted. Why
don't
you answer the posts that receive no response?
A: There are questions that:
- I can't answer (lack of knowledge on my part)
- I feel someone can answer better than I can
for instance skipping labels in a report or PDF related
or ADO code or use of lookup fields
- I don't want to answer
- I don't have time to answer since there are lots of threads

2. Why don't you respond to the posts that you know the poster is not
going
to solve his problem from the responses he received?
A:
- I sometimes go off-line for free or if asked, suggest they make a
donation to a charity such as Special Olympics
- I am never sure how to determine if the NG is going to satisfy a
need
- I have suggested an OP find a consultant

3. What if any problems do you see being caused by my offering
fee-based
help to limited posters in the newsgroups?
A:
- I objected to this post since you were the first to reply
and offered to help for a fee
- think for a minute (I assume you can think) what these NGs would
become if even 10 or 12 other persons posted similar replies of
offers to help for a fee. Maybe every MVP and other significant
replier should feel free to offer to help for a fee.

I would hate for these NGs to become a marketing tool for consultants.
Why is Steve/PC Datasheet special that he should be able to use these
NGs to fish for work when others don't?

Again, I think you either just don't "get it" or refuse to "accept
it".
--
Duane Hookom
MS Access MVP
--

"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
ink.net...
Answer one question:
Do you not think that people come to these News Groups looking for
free
advice/support?

People come to the newsgroups looking for a solution to an Access
related problem. Some times they get no response; therefore no
solution. Sometimes they get a long winded response that provides no
solution. Some times they get a response that is beyond their ability
and therefore are unable to implement the solution. Some times the
response is so poorly written that it is incomprehensible. Some times
the response is written so illogically that it is too hard for the
average user to understand. Some times the solution being sought is
beyond what can reasonably be expected to be given for free. Some
times they get a response offering fee-based help. The poster has the
option to contact me if he so chooses. Many do because the need for
the solution justifies paying for a solution! My fees are very
reasonable and these posters are happy to receive my fee-based help.
So where else do you think these posters could go to receive a quick
solution for a reasonable fee?

I would not have criticized you if this thread was about 10
replies long and it was clear that the OP needed to find a
contractor.
So, you are agreeing that it is OK to offer fee-based services under
certain conditions. Well that is just what I am doing! To paraphrase
your words a little, when I think that it is clear that the poster is
not going to be able to solve his problem from the newsgroup, then I
consider offering him the option of fee-based help. And not every
response I make is one offering fee-based help. On at least a ten to
one ratio, I provide free advice/support over offering fee-based
help. In a vast majority of me free responses, I also take the time
to provide a very good quality response. I try to provide all the
details the poster needs. Since some time ago when an MVP suggested
that I clearly say that my offer for help is fee-based, I have tried
to follow that suggestion.

Answer three questions ---
1. You are an Access expert and could answer any question posted.
Why don't you answer the posts that receive no response?

2. Why don't you respond to the posts that you know the poster is
not going to solve his problem from the responses he received?

3. What if any problems do you see being caused by my offering
fee-based help to limited posters in the newsgroups?

Steve
PC Datasheet


"Duane Hookom" wrote in message
...
You just don't get it. I have only criticized you when your entire
post is an offer to provide contract/paid services. In this case,
you did this in a post not even 90 minutes old.

I have never objected to your (or anyone else's) signature line (at
least not that I recall). I have even defended you in threads where
your only suggestion of selling services was your signature.

I don't recall Ken's reply but I expect you are taking it out of
context. I could be wrong but I doubt it. Ken certainly did not
reply as you did fishing for work on a brand new thread.

I would not have criticized you if this thread was about 10 replies
long and it was clear that the OP needed to find a contractor.

I rarely if ever see replies like some of yours that jump on a brand
new thread with an offer to provide consulting services. It may
happen more than I have noticed but you must admit that you
blatantly advertise or ask for business more than any other poster
by a large margin. I don't read all the Access related NGs but if
score was kept in the ones I frequent, you wouldn't have any
competition.

Answer one question:
Do you not think that people come to these News Groups looking for
free advice/support?

--
Duane Hookom
MS Access MVP


"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Duane,

I will preface what I have to say with, I have been reading the
newsgroups for many years and all that time you have stood out as a
prominent figure. I can say as a fact that everything that you have
always had to say was said in a very professional way. From that I
have developed great respect for you and continue to feel that
respect. What I have to say is meant to be in the spirit of that
respect and is no way intended to put you down.

None of what you quoted here comes from the Rulse Of Conduct and
therefore does not apply. The Rules Of Conduct are found at
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/ga...RulesofConduct
and the pertinent part states:
"We ask that you refrain from posting advertisements or
solicitations that do not pertain directly to the intended use and
purpose of the newsgroup or chat."

Nonetheless, here is my response ---

As far as advertising, please explain in concrete terms how
"Contact me at my email address below if you would like outside
help with this. My fees are very reasonable" is advertising. My sig
is advertising but again it pertains to the purpose of the
newsgroups to provide Access users a resource for help with Access
related problems. Duane Hookom, MS Access is the same type of
advertising. So is the following:
o "MVPDoug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP"
o "See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs."
o "John Viescas, author
"Building Microsoft Access Applications" (Coming Soon!)
"Microsoft Office Access 2003 Inside Out"
"Running Microsoft Access 2000"
"SQL Queries for Mere Mortals"
o David Lloyd
MCSD .NET
http://LemingtonConsulting.com
The above are a very small example of what you see daily on the
newsgroups.

In terms of Contact me if you would like help, I am not the only
one to post this type of post. Every once in a while you will see
offers from others besides myself. Consider the following:
genenky -
You can contact me via www.cadellsoftware.org and we can discuss
what you're seeking to do.-

Ken Snell
MS ACCESS MVP

No one posts derogatory responses to these others. Is it because
Ken is an MVP?

In terms of advertising, consider the following in the sig line of
an infrequent responder:
"A Christian Response
http://www.pastornet.net.au/response"

Check out the web address. It has absolutely nothing to do with
Access. You see other adverts like this and adverts that are
directly in the body of the post. None of the above are ever taken
to task for advertising that obviously does not pertain to
providing Access users a resource for help with Access problems.

In conclusion, I want to ask that you drop out of the crowd of the
likes of Arno R, Keith Wilby, Randy Harris and others and defend me
from their malicious attacks. If you are not willing to do this
then I ask that you keep silent rather than trying to support them.

Thanks, Duane,

Steve



"Duane Hookom" wrote in message
...
I did a quick search of google:
"NewsGroup" etiquette advertise

First Hit
=========================
http://www.netscape.co.uk/help/faqs/...oupmanners.htm
Don't Spam
Spamming is e-mailing or posting unsolicited advertising. Never
post advertising on a Newsgroup unless it is specifically created
to accept adverts.

Second Hit
=========================
http://groups.google.com/googlegroup...ing_style.html
Please do not use Usenet as an advertising medium.
Advertisements on Usenet are rarely appreciated. In general, the
louder or more inappropriate the ad is, the more antagonism it
stirs up. Just think how annoying it is to you to have your
evening meal interrupted by a telemarketer. The feeling is the
same when someone posts inappropriate commercial messages in a
newsgroup. If in doubt, don't do it.

Third Hit
==========================
http://www.gotfusion.com/tutsTD/groupetiquette.cfm
DO NOT Advertise: It doesn't work, it gets people really really
mad, it gets me really really mad, and no matter what you say it
will not be taken well. Everyone HATES SPAM. This is one of the
things that will guarantee that I bring out my "big hammer" and
remove your thread. Do not answer posts of this nature as it just
adds to the number of posts I have to remove. If you continue to
advertise after being warned you may find yourself blacklisted
from posting anything on these newsgroups.

Fourth Hit
==========================
http://www.mommyshelperonline.com/email-etiquette.html
6.) Use 4-6 lines for your signature line, this is an opportunity
to highlight your business or company information, but don't be
ostentatious..


--
Duane Hookom
MS Access MVP


"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
link.net...
Doug,

I have always respected your approach and continue to feel that
way. My intent here is not meant to put you down in any way. I
just am asking you on a professional level where specifically
does it say that offers of help on an Access related problem for
a fee are prohibited?

Steve


"Douglas J. Steele" wrote in
message ...
These newsgroups are not intended for you to solicit commercial
business.

You know that: you've been told MANY times by MANY different
people, yet you still persist.

Are you really that egocentric that you figure you can ignore
everyone?

--
Doug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP
http://I.Am/DougSteele
(no e-mails, please!)



"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
ink.net...
Why don't you explain it to me in concrete terms, Doug.


"Douglas J. Steele" wrote
in message ...
You just don't get it, do you Steve?

--
Doug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP
http://I.Am/DougSteele
(no e-mails, please!)



"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
link.net...
Contact me at my email address below if you would like
outside help with this. My fees are very reasonable.

--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word
Applications

www.pcdatasheet.com

"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
link.net...
I followed the suggestion of a MVP some time ago and try to always make it
clear in my offers that it is fee-based.

The suggestion was not an endorsement of your activities, just that if you
were going to ignore the spirit of these newsgroups, that the users deserved
a warning.

John... Visio MVP