I hate the ribbon -- bring the menus back!

"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote in message
...
long as that awful GUI is there and as long as I cannot use the font
of my
choice.
You can expect future Office versions to use the Ribbon as well. I'd even
venture to guess that Office will never have menus & toolbars again.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
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This is just one more reason to either use Open Office, go to Linux, go to a
MAC. Or, in my case, this may be my last computer. It's been an interesting
8 years but I'm getting bored. I'm 64 and disabled for many years so I don't
have to learn some new yucky way of writing business letters which I don't
have to do very often. I don't use anything in Works Suite except Word.
Works Suite 97 was worth the money. Works Suite 2002 and 2006 were not.
Vista is not worth the money. 98SE was fantastic. XP is ok ...Vista...no
way.

I'm learning a little at a time. I've read people who keep saying they'll
get a Mac. find but I have to tell you, I've yet to see Macs used in a
business office. Maybe that's just coincidence, maybe not. Either way, I
have about 16 years until I can retire - I can't afford to be left behind.

--

JoAnn Paules
Microsoft MVP - Publisher

How to ask a question
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375



"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
My thoughts exactly!

Those who are turning to a menu bar/toolbar add-in or opting to not
upgrade because of the UI may find themselves left behind in the future.
Now is the time to make the transition and start getting up to speed. I
know I considered forgoing Office 2007 because I didn't like the new UI
way back when but it didn't take long to adapt and now I'm thankful I took
the plunge. :-)

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email can not be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton

"JoAnn Paules" wrote in message
...
That's exactly why I've been using it at home. The best time to get used
to it is *now*. One day I will need those skills on the job and no one
wants a trainee when they can hire someone who can hit the ground
running.


"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote in message
...
long as that awful GUI is there and as long as I cannot use the font
of my
choice.
You can expect future Office versions to use the Ribbon as well. I'd
even venture to guess that Office will never have menus & toolbars
again.

If you intend to go to Linux, you will need a lot more computer savvy to configure and use its applications. Saying that you will use a MAC (you already do, on every connected device) tells me that you are not that savvy nor that ready for Linux. If you mean the computer, that is a Mac... there is a BIG difference.

--�
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
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After furious head scratching, Melelina asked:

| "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote in message
| ...
||| long as that awful GUI is there and as long as I cannot use the font
|| of my
||| choice.
|| You can expect future Office versions to use the Ribbon as well. I'd
|| even venture to guess that Office will never have menus & toolbars
|| again.
||
|| Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
|| --------------
|| http://pschmid.net
|| ***
|| Outlook 2007 Performance Update:
|| http://pschmid.net/blog/2007/04/13/105 Office 2007 RTM Issues:
|| http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 ***
|| Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
|| RibbonCustomizer Add-In:
|| http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007:
|| http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote ***
|| Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed
||
|
| This is just one more reason to either use Open Office, go to Linux,
| go to a MAC. Or, in my case, this may be my last computer. It's been
| an interesting 8 years but I'm getting bored. I'm 64 and disabled for
| many years so I don't have to learn some new yucky way of writing
| business letters which I don't have to do very often. I don't use
| anything in Works Suite except Word. Works Suite 97 was worth the
| money. Works Suite 2002 and 2006 were not. Vista is not worth the
| money. 98SE was fantastic. XP is ok ...Vista...no way.

"Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote...
If you intend to go to Linux, you will need a lot more computer
savvy to configure and use its applications. . . .

No so. Every major Linux distribution for Intel/AMD CPUs includes
OpenOffice, FireFox and at least one CD music player in the standard
installation. Linux has become so SIMPLE that there are several Live
distributions (ones that can run straight from bootable CDs). Mounting
a flash drive may require a bit more sophistication, but several
distributions, most notably Ubuntu, provide substantial online help
facilities.

. . Saying that you will use a MAC (you already do, on every
connected device) tells me that you are not that savvy . . .

Oh what a clever rhetorical gambit!

. . . nor that ready for Linux. . . .

Well, if they know as little about current Linux distributions as you
they wouldn't be ready for it.

. . . If you mean the computer, that is a Mac... there is a BIG
difference.

Yes there is! Macs are much better.

"Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
wrote in message
...
If you intend to go to Linux, you will need a lot more computer savvy to
configure and use its applications. Saying that you will use a MAC (you
already do, on every connected device) tells me that you are not that savvy
nor that ready for Linux. If you mean the computer, that is a Mac... there
is a BIG difference.

--�
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, Melelina asked:

| "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote in message
| ...
||| long as that awful GUI is there and as long as I cannot use the font
|| of my
||| choice.
|| You can expect future Office versions to use the Ribbon as well. I'd
|| even venture to guess that Office will never have menus & toolbars
|| again.
||
|| Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
|| --------------
|| http://pschmid.net

I meant an computer from Apple Computers. Everyone I know on forums refers
to these as MACs.
|| ***
|| Outlook 2007 Performance Update:
|| http://pschmid.net/blog/2007/04/13/105 Office 2007 RTM Issues:
|| http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 ***
|| Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
|| RibbonCustomizer Add-In:
|| http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007:
|| http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote ***
|| Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed
||
|
| This is just one more reason to either use Open Office, go to Linux,
| go to a MAC. Or, in my case, this may be my last computer. It's been
| an interesting 8 years but I'm getting bored. I'm 64 and disabled for
| many years so I don't have to learn some new yucky way of writing
| business letters which I don't have to do very often. I don't use
| anything in Works Suite except Word. Works Suite 97 was worth the
| money. Works Suite 2002 and 2006 were not. Vista is not worth the
| money. 98SE was fantastic. XP is ok ...Vista...no way.

"Harlan Grove" wrote in message
oups.com...
"Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote...
If you intend to go to Linux, you will need a lot more computer
savvy to configure and use its applications. . . .

No so. Every major Linux distribution for Intel/AMD CPUs includes
OpenOffice, FireFox and at least one CD music player in the standard
installation. Linux has become so SIMPLE that there are several Live
distributions (ones that can run straight from bootable CDs). Mounting
a flash drive may require a bit more sophistication, but several
distributions, most notably Ubuntu, provide substantial online help
facilities.

. . Saying that you will use a MAC (you already do, on every
connected device) tells me that you are not that savvy . . .

Oh what a clever rhetorical gambit!

. . . nor that ready for Linux. . . .

Well, if they know as little about current Linux distributions as you
they wouldn't be ready for it.

. . . If you mean the computer, that is a Mac... there is a BIG
difference.

Yes there is! Macs are much better.

You are so right. Linux even a year or so ago was rather daunting in VMWare
Workstation but now...Ubuntu has Firefox ready to go and a music player. I
dislike IE and Fx has been my default browser since Phoenix days many years
ago. I feel right at home in Ubuntu. The Live CDs are needed even if you
don't use Linux just so you can see when you have a problem with your
computer if it is Windows or your hardware. If everything is fine in Linux
then it is not your hardware. All Windows users should have a Live Distro.
Sure, there is still a considerable learning curve and I will need WINE to
be able to use the Proxomitron which I cannot give up but there are so many
who have bravely gone before me and will now help me and then I in turn will
help others.

Ironically, much of what holds me back is that I won't have my main interest
to post about daily if I move to Linux. I spend most of my time in Security
forums and am quite knowledgeable about various antivirus programs, HIPS
programs, etc. I'll feel lost when I don't have those concerns (except to a
very small degree) anymore. Plus, there are small things I will really
miss like 98SE desktop themes that I have working on XP (classic view of
course...I would never use XP cartoons for children view). But honestly, I
don't feel that most of us have a choice in a few years when XP is getting
close to being unsupported. It will be a Macintosh computer or moving to
Linux. Dell is my supplier and because of pressure from users like myself we
will soon be offered probably Ubuntu preloaded on Dells. Microsoft can't
stop Michael Dell from doing this (he no longer appears afraid of offending
Microsoft) and when it happens, everything will start to really change.

JoAnn,
You have not been in enough business offices I have seen quite a few
that are using Mac's. I would use just my Mac except for the fact there is a
lot of Windows only software that will not run on my Mac with out emulation
software

--
Paul Ballou
MVP Office
http://office.microsoft.com/home
http://www.freeserifsoftware.com/
http://www.ballousgiftshop.com



"JoAnn Paules" wrote in message
...
I'm learning a little at a time. I've read people who keep saying they'll
get a Mac. find but I have to tell you, I've yet to see Macs used in a
business office. Maybe that's just coincidence, maybe not. Either way, I
have about 16 years until I can retire - I can't afford to be left behind.

--

JoAnn Paules
Microsoft MVP - Publisher

How to ask a question
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375



"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
My thoughts exactly!

Those who are turning to a menu bar/toolbar add-in or opting to not
upgrade because of the UI may find themselves left behind in the future.
Now is the time to make the transition and start getting up to speed. I
know I considered forgoing Office 2007 because I didn't like the new UI
way back when but it didn't take long to adapt and now I'm thankful I
took the plunge. :-)

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email can not be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton

"JoAnn Paules" wrote in message
...
That's exactly why I've been using it at home. The best time to get used
to it is *now*. One day I will need those skills on the job and no one
wants a trainee when they can hire someone who can hit the ground
running.


"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote in message
...
long as that awful GUI is there and as long as I cannot use the font
of my
choice.
You can expect future Office versions to use the Ribbon as well. I'd
even venture to guess that Office will never have menus & toolbars
again.

I don't know about that. It could be the industry too. I've been involved
with manufacturing for more than 25 years and never saw a Mac. My printer
uses one and so does my vet. Those are the only places I've seen them used.

--
JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]

~~~~~
How to ask a question
http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375


"Paul Ballou" wrote in message
...
JoAnn,
You have not been in enough business offices I have seen quite a
few that are using Mac's. I would use just my Mac except for the fact
there is a lot of Windows only software that will not run on my Mac with
out emulation software

--
Paul Ballou
MVP Office
http://office.microsoft.com/home
http://www.freeserifsoftware.com/
http://www.ballousgiftshop.com



"JoAnn Paules" wrote in message
...
I'm learning a little at a time. I've read people who keep saying they'll
get a Mac. find but I have to tell you, I've yet to see Macs used in a
business office. Maybe that's just coincidence, maybe not. Either way, I
have about 16 years until I can retire - I can't afford to be left
behind.

--

JoAnn Paules
Microsoft MVP - Publisher

How to ask a question
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375



"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
My thoughts exactly!

Those who are turning to a menu bar/toolbar add-in or opting to not
upgrade because of the UI may find themselves left behind in the future.
Now is the time to make the transition and start getting up to speed. I
know I considered forgoing Office 2007 because I didn't like the new UI
way back when but it didn't take long to adapt and now I'm thankful I
took the plunge. :-)

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email can not be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton

"JoAnn Paules" wrote in message
...
That's exactly why I've been using it at home. The best time to get
used to it is *now*. One day I will need those skills on the job and no
one wants a trainee when they can hire someone who can hit the ground
running.


"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote in message
...
long as that awful GUI is there and as long as I cannot use the font
of my
choice.
You can expect future Office versions to use the Ribbon as well. I'd
even venture to guess that Office will never have menus & toolbars
again.

"JoAnn Paules" wrote...
....
. . . I have about 16 years until I can retire - I can't afford to
be left behind.

If you're in publishing and you don't use a Mac, haven't you already
been left behind?

You should go and visit print shops and graphic artists and see what
they work on. For pre-press work and high quality colour calibration
macs are hard to beat!

John


JoAnn Paules wrote:
I'm learning a little at a time. I've read people who keep saying
they'll get a Mac. find but I have to tell you, I've yet to see Macs
used in a business office. Maybe that's just coincidence, maybe not.
Either way, I have about 16 years until I can retire - I can't afford to
be left behind.