I hate the ribbon -- bring the menus back!

Unfortunately the Versions feature in previous versions of Word is a known
cause for document corruption and file bloat. If you never encountered this
issue then consider yourself lucky. :-)

They do have a replacement, sort of, if you use SharePoint you can use the
Version History to view and compare versions:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/sh...488601033.aspx

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"Steven Wabik" wrote in message
...
another thing i dislike is hoe the removed the "versions" feature. that
feature was very usefull in word 2003. and there seems to be nothing to
replace it.

no one said anything about a file bloat...lol i know that it can make the
files a lot larger if not used right, like if you are using pictures and
stuff. other than that, the text will just increase the size of the file
little by little with each passing version.i just wish they continued the
feature, but improved it at the same time.

i used the feature all the time, from when i purchased the program in about
2003 all the way untill 2007 when i got office 2007 and i saw that hey sadly
removed the feature. i still have office 2003 on one of my notebooks. after
a few days of have office 20007 i took all of my (.doc) files that had
versions on them and converted them so that they would not have versions on
them anymore, but i still left them in (.doc) format.

i have one question. if the thing is flawed then why did they take it out of
office and put it into vista? it went from "versions" in office 2003 to
"shadow copy" in vista. its the same consept. the odd thing was the the word
system was setup better in some ways even though that some say it was
unstable. i never ran into any issues with "versions" and the "shadow copy"
thing in vista does not seem to work for me. its over rated and needs to be
redesigned a bit.

"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
Unfortunately the Versions feature in previous versions of Word is a known
cause for document corruption and file bloat. If you never encountered
this issue then consider yourself lucky. :-)

They do have a replacement, sort of, if you use SharePoint you can use the
Version History to view and compare versions:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/sh...488601033.aspx

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"Steven Wabik" wrote in message
...
another thing i dislike is hoe the removed the "versions" feature. that
feature was very usefull in word 2003. and there seems to be nothing to
replace it.

A Shadow Copy in Vista isn't quite the same as the Versions feature. A
Shadow Copy is more of a backup utility and Word Versions are all stored in
the same file, which was the primary issue and cause of corruption. A Shadow
Copy creates copies of the file which, like on SharePoint, is a bit
different.

Another reason they removed the feature is it was seldom used according to
the data they collected from those who opted into the Customer Experience
Improvement Program for Office 2003. So you have a flawed feature, one
that's seldom used, and two other possible "replacements" for it (SharePoint
and Vista). I guess I can see why they dropped it.

Now, whether Shadow Copy works as designed is another discussion entirely.
;-)

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"Steven Wabik" wrote in message
...
no one said anything about a file bloat...lol i know that it can make the
files a lot larger if not used right, like if you are using pictures and
stuff. other than that, the text will just increase the size of the file
little by little with each passing version.i just wish they continued the
feature, but improved it at the same time.

i used the feature all the time, from when i purchased the program in
about 2003 all the way untill 2007 when i got office 2007 and i saw that
hey sadly removed the feature. i still have office 2003 on one of my
notebooks. after a few days of have office 20007 i took all of my (.doc)
files that had versions on them and converted them so that they would not
have versions on them anymore, but i still left them in (.doc) format.

i have one question. if the thing is flawed then why did they take it out
of office and put it into vista? it went from "versions" in office 2003 to
"shadow copy" in vista. its the same consept. the odd thing was the the
word system was setup better in some ways even though that some say it was
unstable. i never ran into any issues with "versions" and the "shadow
copy" thing in vista does not seem to work for me. its over rated and
needs to be redesigned a bit.

"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
Unfortunately the Versions feature in previous versions of Word is a
known cause for document corruption and file bloat. If you never
encountered this issue then consider yourself lucky. :-)

They do have a replacement, sort of, if you use SharePoint you can use
the Version History to view and compare versions:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/sh...488601033.aspx

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"Steven Wabik" wrote in message
...
another thing i dislike is hoe the removed the "versions" feature. that
feature was very usefull in word 2003. and there seems to be nothing to
replace it.

Thank you so much. Although this does not do everytyhing I want, I can at
least get rid of the ribbon and still get to a lot of what I use.

"Andy" wrote:

Although I cannot see an easy way to customise the ribbon, you can right
click on an item in the ribbon and choose "Add to Quick Access toolbar".
There are other ways, going into Word options (click on the office logo).
You can minimise the ribbon by pressing the Ctrl key and F1 or double
clicking on one of the tabs.

Personally I think the new UI is such a massive improvement, I have found it
easy to use straight away. A quick glance through each of the tabs was all I
needed.

I appreciate others are finding it not an improvement. If you need guidance
on how to find something or achieve something with the new ribbon, then I am
sure you will be able to get advice on that if you ask.

Andy

"Keith" wrote:

I am a first-time Office 2007 user, and as such, I hate some of the changes
I'm seeing. Perhaps that's a normal first reaction to Office 2007, and
perhaps I'll grow to prefer it. But for now, it appears I'm forced to waste
valuable screen real estate staring at the outrageous ribbon bar that often
doesn't even have the functionality that I'm looking for. At least with
Office 2003 with its regular menus I could click on one entry and hover my
mouse around the others until I find what I'm looking for. And of course I
could customize the toolbars to my liking, maximizing my available screen
real estate. If I can do with the the ribbon, then it just isn't obvious.

-- Keith

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I realize that, but they both let you track changes in the file. I sort of
made my own fix for the issue in the "versions" feature in word. it took a
while to come up with because I had to figure out how the normal file code
fit together, and the "versions" file code fit together.

the fix I made it was a small add-in that slightly changed the way
"versions" worked. well, it created copies within itself like normal, but
everytime you created a new version it would renew the entire file and check
it for simple errors. it also had easy way to split up the versions in the
file if you wanted to. I was successful in making this add-in but I got help
in making this feature. i wonder if i submitted it to microsoft and they
tested it and they saw that it worked error free, if they would put the
versions feature into word 2007.

one of the reasons why the files get corrupt is because the files get to
big. most of the time the corruption is due to pictures and not text in the
files. I had a friend who had the issue, but I never had the issue myself. I
even found a way to fix corrupted "versions" files. for not it has to be
done manually.

the reason why I say that a program needs to be created for the recovery of
these documents is because it would be easier than how I am doing it now.
right now I can use notepad to pull out text from the corrupted documents.
notepad can be used to pull out basic codes for formatting codes and
pictures as well, but only advanced users can deal with the pictures and
text formatting. pulling the text back together is easy, I can two up to 3
or 4 layers usually. for recovery pictures a code editor is required. its
only worth recovery the 1st layer of pictures if you can. if you can recover
pictures, recovering the text formatting will fall into place.I never
created an application for this because it is to complex for me to make and
no one was interested in helping me with it.

and about the shadow copy feature i kind of dislike how it only creates them
when restore points are made. i do not think it should do that if you do not
want them to. i think that you should be able to create your own shadow
copies as well so that you do not have to reply on system restore for there
creation.

"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
A Shadow Copy in Vista isn't quite the same as the Versions feature. A
Shadow Copy is more of a backup utility and Word Versions are all stored in
the same file, which was the primary issue and cause of corruption. A
Shadow Copy creates copies of the file which, like on SharePoint, is a bit
different.

Another reason they removed the feature is it was seldom used according to
the data they collected from those who opted into the Customer Experience
Improvement Program for Office 2003. So you have a flawed feature, one
that's seldom used, and two other possible "replacements" for it
(SharePoint and Vista). I guess I can see why they dropped it.

Now, whether Shadow Copy works as designed is another discussion entirely.
;-)

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"Steven Wabik" wrote in message
...
no one said anything about a file bloat...lol i know that it can make the
files a lot larger if not used right, like if you are using pictures and
stuff. other than that, the text will just increase the size of the file
little by little with each passing version.i just wish they continued the
feature, but improved it at the same time.

i used the feature all the time, from when i purchased the program in
about 2003 all the way untill 2007 when i got office 2007 and i saw that
hey sadly removed the feature. i still have office 2003 on one of my
notebooks. after a few days of have office 20007 i took all of my (.doc)
files that had versions on them and converted them so that they would not
have versions on them anymore, but i still left them in (.doc) format.

i have one question. if the thing is flawed then why did they take it out
of office and put it into vista? it went from "versions" in office 2003
to "shadow copy" in vista. its the same consept. the odd thing was the
the word system was setup better in some ways even though that some say
it was unstable. i never ran into any issues with "versions" and the
"shadow copy" thing in vista does not seem to work for me. its over rated
and needs to be redesigned a bit.

"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
Unfortunately the Versions feature in previous versions of Word is a
known cause for document corruption and file bloat. If you never
encountered this issue then consider yourself lucky. :-)

They do have a replacement, sort of, if you use SharePoint you can use
the Version History to view and compare versions:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/sh...488601033.aspx

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"Steven Wabik" wrote in message
...
another thing i dislike is hoe the removed the "versions" feature. that
feature was very usefull in word 2003. and there seems to be nothing to
replace it.

It sounds like you have quite the add-in. :-)

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"Steven Wabik" wrote in message
...
I realize that, but they both let you track changes in the file. I sort of
made my own fix for the issue in the "versions" feature in word. it took a
while to come up with because I had to figure out how the normal file code
fit together, and the "versions" file code fit together.

the fix I made it was a small add-in that slightly changed the way
"versions" worked. well, it created copies within itself like normal, but
everytime you created a new version it would renew the entire file and
check it for simple errors. it also had easy way to split up the versions
in the file if you wanted to. I was successful in making this add-in but I
got help in making this feature. i wonder if i submitted it to microsoft
and they tested it and they saw that it worked error free, if they would
put the versions feature into word 2007.

one of the reasons why the files get corrupt is because the files get to
big. most of the time the corruption is due to pictures and not text in
the files. I had a friend who had the issue, but I never had the issue
myself. I even found a way to fix corrupted "versions" files. for not it
has to be done manually.

the reason why I say that a program needs to be created for the recovery
of these documents is because it would be easier than how I am doing it
now. right now I can use notepad to pull out text from the corrupted
documents. notepad can be used to pull out basic codes for formatting
codes and pictures as well, but only advanced users can deal with the
pictures and text formatting. pulling the text back together is easy, I
can two up to 3 or 4 layers usually. for recovery pictures a code editor
is required. its only worth recovery the 1st layer of pictures if you can.
if you can recover pictures, recovering the text formatting will fall into
place.I never created an application for this because it is to complex for
me to make and no one was interested in helping me with it.

and about the shadow copy feature i kind of dislike how it only creates
them when restore points are made. i do not think it should do that if you
do not want them to. i think that you should be able to create your own
shadow copies as well so that you do not have to reply on system restore
for there creation.

"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
A Shadow Copy in Vista isn't quite the same as the Versions feature. A
Shadow Copy is more of a backup utility and Word Versions are all stored
in the same file, which was the primary issue and cause of corruption. A
Shadow Copy creates copies of the file which, like on SharePoint, is a bit
different.

Another reason they removed the feature is it was seldom used according
to the data they collected from those who opted into the Customer
Experience Improvement Program for Office 2003. So you have a flawed
feature, one that's seldom used, and two other possible "replacements"
for it (SharePoint and Vista). I guess I can see why they dropped it.

Now, whether Shadow Copy works as designed is another discussion
entirely. ;-)

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"Steven Wabik" wrote in message
...
no one said anything about a file bloat...lol i know that it can make
the files a lot larger if not used right, like if you are using pictures
and stuff. other than that, the text will just increase the size of the
file little by little with each passing version.i just wish they
continued the feature, but improved it at the same time.

i used the feature all the time, from when i purchased the program in
about 2003 all the way untill 2007 when i got office 2007 and i saw that
hey sadly removed the feature. i still have office 2003 on one of my
notebooks. after a few days of have office 20007 i took all of my (.doc)
files that had versions on them and converted them so that they would
not have versions on them anymore, but i still left them in (.doc)
format.

i have one question. if the thing is flawed then why did they take it
out of office and put it into vista? it went from "versions" in office
2003 to "shadow copy" in vista. its the same consept. the odd thing was
the the word system was setup better in some ways even though that some
say it was unstable. i never ran into any issues with "versions" and the
"shadow copy" thing in vista does not seem to work for me. its over
rated and needs to be redesigned a bit.

"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
Unfortunately the Versions feature in previous versions of Word is a
known cause for document corruption and file bloat. If you never
encountered this issue then consider yourself lucky. :-)

They do have a replacement, sort of, if you use SharePoint you can use
the Version History to view and compare versions:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/sh...488601033.aspx

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"Steven Wabik" wrote in message
...
another thing i dislike is hoe the removed the "versions" feature.
that feature was very usefull in word 2003. and there seems to be
nothing to replace it.

yea i do, thanks.

"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
It sounds like you have quite the add-in. :-)

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assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"Steven Wabik" wrote in message
...
I realize that, but they both let you track changes in the file. I sort of
made my own fix for the issue in the "versions" feature in word. it took a
while to come up with because I had to figure out how the normal file code
fit together, and the "versions" file code fit together.

the fix I made it was a small add-in that slightly changed the way
"versions" worked. well, it created copies within itself like normal, but
everytime you created a new version it would renew the entire file and
check it for simple errors. it also had easy way to split up the versions
in the file if you wanted to. I was successful in making this add-in but
I got help in making this feature. i wonder if i submitted it to
microsoft and they tested it and they saw that it worked error free, if
they would put the versions feature into word 2007.

one of the reasons why the files get corrupt is because the files get to
big. most of the time the corruption is due to pictures and not text in
the files. I had a friend who had the issue, but I never had the issue
myself. I even found a way to fix corrupted "versions" files. for not it
has to be done manually.

the reason why I say that a program needs to be created for the recovery
of these documents is because it would be easier than how I am doing it
now. right now I can use notepad to pull out text from the corrupted
documents. notepad can be used to pull out basic codes for formatting
codes and pictures as well, but only advanced users can deal with the
pictures and text formatting. pulling the text back together is easy, I
can two up to 3 or 4 layers usually. for recovery pictures a code editor
is required. its only worth recovery the 1st layer of pictures if you
can. if you can recover pictures, recovering the text formatting will
fall into place.I never created an application for this because it is to
complex for me to make and no one was interested in helping me with it.

and about the shadow copy feature i kind of dislike how it only creates
them when restore points are made. i do not think it should do that if
you do not want them to. i think that you should be able to create your
own shadow copies as well so that you do not have to reply on system
restore for there creation.

"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
A Shadow Copy in Vista isn't quite the same as the Versions feature. A
Shadow Copy is more of a backup utility and Word Versions are all stored
in the same file, which was the primary issue and cause of corruption. A
Shadow Copy creates copies of the file which, like on SharePoint, is a
bit different.

Another reason they removed the feature is it was seldom used according
to the data they collected from those who opted into the Customer
Experience Improvement Program for Office 2003. So you have a flawed
feature, one that's seldom used, and two other possible "replacements"
for it (SharePoint and Vista). I guess I can see why they dropped it.

Now, whether Shadow Copy works as designed is another discussion
entirely. ;-)

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"Steven Wabik" wrote in message
...
no one said anything about a file bloat...lol i know that it can make
the files a lot larger if not used right, like if you are using
pictures and stuff. other than that, the text will just increase the
size of the file little by little with each passing version.i just wish
they continued the feature, but improved it at the same time.

i used the feature all the time, from when i purchased the program in
about 2003 all the way untill 2007 when i got office 2007 and i saw
that hey sadly removed the feature. i still have office 2003 on one of
my notebooks. after a few days of have office 20007 i took all of my
(.doc) files that had versions on them and converted them so that they
would not have versions on them anymore, but i still left them in
(.doc) format.

i have one question. if the thing is flawed then why did they take it
out of office and put it into vista? it went from "versions" in office
2003 to "shadow copy" in vista. its the same consept. the odd thing was
the the word system was setup better in some ways even though that some
say it was unstable. i never ran into any issues with "versions" and
the "shadow copy" thing in vista does not seem to work for me. its over
rated and needs to be redesigned a bit.

"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
Unfortunately the Versions feature in previous versions of Word is a
known cause for document corruption and file bloat. If you never
encountered this issue then consider yourself lucky. :-)

They do have a replacement, sort of, if you use SharePoint you can use
the Version History to view and compare versions:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/sh...488601033.aspx

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"Steven Wabik" wrote in message
...
another thing i dislike is hoe the removed the "versions" feature.
that feature was very usefull in word 2003. and there seems to be
nothing to replace it.

Hi Steven,

To add a bit to what Beth mentioned - the Word versions feature wasn't considered widely used, was limited to Word documents and not
easily expanded to the model deemed needed for project/document collaboration and workflow management for multiple application
documents. The Word versions feature was not the only collaboration related one in Word that changed in Office 2007 to use the new
Office server product (such as sharepoint) models for collaboration and document version/history tracking.

The document corruption issues were a part of it, but likely more that folks didn't understand its use very well (i.e. 'why is my
file so big' and 'I can't this by email', 'the file takes a long time to open/save to the network', etc).

The issues you discovered that you were able to help with are certainly interesting. Your add-in would certainly seem to be useful
if you were to make it available to those folks who continue to work with pre-Office 2007 versions.

===========================
"Steven Wabik" wrote in message ...
no one said anything about a file bloat...lol i know that it can make the
files a lot larger if not used right, like if you are using pictures and
stuff. other than that, the text will just increase the size of the file
little by little with each passing version.i just wish they continued the
feature, but improved it at the same time.

i used the feature all the time, from when i purchased the program in about
2003 all the way untill 2007 when i got office 2007 and i saw that hey sadly
removed the feature. i still have office 2003 on one of my notebooks. after
a few days of have office 20007 i took all of my (.doc) files that had
versions on them and converted them so that they would not have versions on
them anymore, but i still left them in (.doc) format.

i have one question. if the thing is flawed then why did they take it out of
office and put it into vista? it went from "versions" in office 2003 to
"shadow copy" in vista. its the same consept. the odd thing was the the word
system was setup better in some ways even though that some say it was
unstable. i never ran into any issues with "versions" and the "shadow copy"
thing in vista does not seem to work for me. its over rated and needs to be
redesigned a bit.
--

Bob Buckland ?:-)
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*

i miay deploy it. the only thing is that it does not work with office 2003
when the application is installed under Windows vista. it needs to be used
under Windows XP.

the reason why it does not work under vista is because of the language i
wrote it in. i used that language for other add-ins as well, but those
add-ins were for the OS. the language does not seem to be compatible with
applications that were made after 2005.

i may just take a class for .net framework programing and rewrite the add-in
so that it will be in a more up to date language. i may also make other
changes to it as well, like extracting the whole "versions" feature out of
word 2003 so that if people want to use it in word 2007 they can. after i do
that, then i will deploy it to the public. right now, i'm now i'm not even
sure if it will work in XP SP3 office 2003 SP3 since i am using office 2007
SP1 at the moment.

"Bob Buckland ?:-)" 75214.226(At Beautiful Downtown)compuserve.com wrote
in message ...
Hi Steven,

To add a bit to what Beth mentioned - the Word versions feature wasn't
considered widely used, was limited to Word documents and not
easily expanded to the model deemed needed for project/document
collaboration and workflow management for multiple application
documents. The Word versions feature was not the only collaboration
related one in Word that changed in Office 2007 to use the new
Office server product (such as sharepoint) models for collaboration and
document version/history tracking.

The document corruption issues were a part of it, but likely more that
folks didn't understand its use very well (i.e. 'why is my
file so big' and 'I can't this by email', 'the file takes a long time to
open/save to the network', etc).

The issues you discovered that you were able to help with are certainly
interesting. Your add-in would certainly seem to be useful
if you were to make it available to those folks who continue to work with
pre-Office 2007 versions.

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"Steven Wabik" wrote in message
...
no one said anything about a file bloat...lol i know that it can make the
files a lot larger if not used right, like if you are using pictures and
stuff. other than that, the text will just increase the size of the file
little by little with each passing version.i just wish they continued the
feature, but improved it at the same time.

i used the feature all the time, from when i purchased the program in
about
2003 all the way untill 2007 when i got office 2007 and i saw that hey
sadly
removed the feature. i still have office 2003 on one of my notebooks.
after
a few days of have office 20007 i took all of my (.doc) files that had
versions on them and converted them so that they would not have versions
on
them anymore, but i still left them in (.doc) format.

i have one question. if the thing is flawed then why did they take it out
of
office and put it into vista? it went from "versions" in office 2003 to
"shadow copy" in vista. its the same consept. the odd thing was the the
word
system was setup better in some ways even though that some say it was
unstable. i never ran into any issues with "versions" and the "shadow
copy"
thing in vista does not seem to work for me. its over rated and needs to
be
redesigned a bit.
--

Bob Buckland ?:-)
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*

RIBBON acronym
Real Idiocy By Bungling Obnoxious Nitwits

"JoAnn Paules" wrote:

Not a Microsoft smartie. I'm just an end user like yourself. And I didn't
pull anything out of any body cavity.

--
JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]

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How to ask a question
http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375


"kramer2718" wrote in message
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JoAnn Paules;2890415 Wrote:
Microsoft focused on a few of the products - the ones more heavily
used.
Publisher doesn't have it either - or Visio. Be thankful that you have
a few
programs that still look the same. By the time the other programs get
the
ribbon, you'll be an old pro with it.

Or I'll just use Open Office or Google's products...

Let me ask you MS smarties something. When you designed the ribbon,
did you consider, the complicated search pattern that your eyes have to
do to find options in the ribbon?

What about the alt-[1st key in menu name] pattern?

Did you just pull this thing out of your ---?


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