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On a scale of 0 to 10 I believe your understanding or acceptance of your
behavior is a 0. Contact me at my email address below if you would like assistance with explaining this further. My fees are very reasonable. -- Duane Hookom DuaneHookom AT nospam Hotmail dot nospam com MS Access MVP "PC Datasheet" wrote in message link.net... Duane, So answer this ---- On a scale of 0 to 10, rate your feeling for what you would like to see as to what percentage of posters with a legitimate problem gets his problem solved from the newsgroups where 0 is None and 10 is All. Steve "Duane Hookom" wrote in message ... 1. You are an Access expert and could answer any question posted. Why don't you answer the posts that receive no response? A: There are questions that: - I can't answer (lack of knowledge on my part) - I feel someone can answer better than I can for instance skipping labels in a report or PDF related or ADO code or use of lookup fields - I don't want to answer - I don't have time to answer since there are lots of threads 2. Why don't you respond to the posts that you know the poster is not going to solve his problem from the responses he received? A: - I sometimes go off-line for free or if asked, suggest they make a donation to a charity such as Special Olympics - I am never sure how to determine if the NG is going to satisfy a need - I have suggested an OP find a consultant 3. What if any problems do you see being caused by my offering fee-based help to limited posters in the newsgroups? A: - I objected to this post since you were the first to reply and offered to help for a fee - think for a minute (I assume you can think) what these NGs would become if even 10 or 12 other persons posted similar replies of offers to help for a fee. Maybe every MVP and other significant replier should feel free to offer to help for a fee. I would hate for these NGs to become a marketing tool for consultants. Why is Steve/PC Datasheet special that he should be able to use these NGs to fish for work when others don't? Again, I think you either just don't "get it" or refuse to "accept it". -- Duane Hookom MS Access MVP -- "PC Datasheet" wrote in message ink.net... Answer one question: Do you not think that people come to these News Groups looking for free advice/support? People come to the newsgroups looking for a solution to an Access related problem. Some times they get no response; therefore no solution. Sometimes they get a long winded response that provides no solution. Some times they get a response that is beyond their ability and therefore are unable to implement the solution. Some times the response is so poorly written that it is incomprehensible. Some times the response is written so illogically that it is too hard for the average user to understand. Some times the solution being sought is beyond what can reasonably be expected to be given for free. Some times they get a response offering fee-based help. The poster has the option to contact me if he so chooses. Many do because the need for the solution justifies paying for a solution! My fees are very reasonable and these posters are happy to receive my fee-based help. So where else do you think these posters could go to receive a quick solution for a reasonable fee? I would not have criticized you if this thread was about 10 replies long and it was clear that the OP needed to find a contractor. So, you are agreeing that it is OK to offer fee-based services under certain conditions. Well that is just what I am doing! To paraphrase your words a little, when I think that it is clear that the poster is not going to be able to solve his problem from the newsgroup, then I consider offering him the option of fee-based help. And not every response I make is one offering fee-based help. On at least a ten to one ratio, I provide free advice/support over offering fee-based help. In a vast majority of me free responses, I also take the time to provide a very good quality response. I try to provide all the details the poster needs. Since some time ago when an MVP suggested that I clearly say that my offer for help is fee-based, I have tried to follow that suggestion. Answer three questions --- 1. You are an Access expert and could answer any question posted. Why don't you answer the posts that receive no response? 2. Why don't you respond to the posts that you know the poster is not going to solve his problem from the responses he received? 3. What if any problems do you see being caused by my offering fee-based help to limited posters in the newsgroups? Steve PC Datasheet "Duane Hookom" wrote in message ... You just don't get it. I have only criticized you when your entire post is an offer to provide contract/paid services. In this case, you did this in a post not even 90 minutes old. I have never objected to your (or anyone else's) signature line (at least not that I recall). I have even defended you in threads where your only suggestion of selling services was your signature. I don't recall Ken's reply but I expect you are taking it out of context. I could be wrong but I doubt it. Ken certainly did not reply as you did fishing for work on a brand new thread. I would not have criticized you if this thread was about 10 replies long and it was clear that the OP needed to find a contractor. I rarely if ever see replies like some of yours that jump on a brand new thread with an offer to provide consulting services. It may happen more than I have noticed but you must admit that you blatantly advertise or ask for business more than any other poster by a large margin. I don't read all the Access related NGs but if score was kept in the ones I frequent, you wouldn't have any competition. Answer one question: Do you not think that people come to these News Groups looking for free advice/support? -- Duane Hookom MS Access MVP "PC Datasheet" wrote in message hlink.net... Duane, I will preface what I have to say with, I have been reading the newsgroups for many years and all that time you have stood out as a prominent figure. I can say as a fact that everything that you have always had to say was said in a very professional way. From that I have developed great respect for you and continue to feel that respect. What I have to say is meant to be in the spirit of that respect and is no way intended to put you down. None of what you quoted here comes from the Rulse Of Conduct and therefore does not apply. The Rules Of Conduct are found at http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/ga...RulesofConduct and the pertinent part states: "We ask that you refrain from posting advertisements or solicitations that do not pertain directly to the intended use and purpose of the newsgroup or chat." Nonetheless, here is my response --- As far as advertising, please explain in concrete terms how "Contact me at my email address below if you would like outside help with this. My fees are very reasonable" is advertising. My sig is advertising but again it pertains to the purpose of the newsgroups to provide Access users a resource for help with Access related problems. Duane Hookom, MS Access is the same type of advertising. So is the following: o "MVPDoug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP" o "See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs." o "John Viescas, author "Building Microsoft Access Applications" (Coming Soon!) "Microsoft Office Access 2003 Inside Out" "Running Microsoft Access 2000" "SQL Queries for Mere Mortals" o David Lloyd MCSD .NET http://LemingtonConsulting.com The above are a very small example of what you see daily on the newsgroups. In terms of Contact me if you would like help, I am not the only one to post this type of post. Every once in a while you will see offers from others besides myself. Consider the following: genenky - You can contact me via www.cadellsoftware.org and we can discuss what you're seeking to do.- Ken Snell MS ACCESS MVP No one posts derogatory responses to these others. Is it because Ken is an MVP? In terms of advertising, consider the following in the sig line of an infrequent responder: "A Christian Response http://www.pastornet.net.au/response" Check out the web address. It has absolutely nothing to do with Access. You see other adverts like this and adverts that are directly in the body of the post. None of the above are ever taken to task for advertising that obviously does not pertain to providing Access users a resource for help with Access problems. In conclusion, I want to ask that you drop out of the crowd of the likes of Arno R, Keith Wilby, Randy Harris and others and defend me from their malicious attacks. If you are not willing to do this then I ask that you keep silent rather than trying to support them. Thanks, Duane, Steve "Duane Hookom" wrote in message ... I did a quick search of google: "NewsGroup" etiquette advertise First Hit ========================= http://www.netscape.co.uk/help/faqs/...oupmanners.htm Don't Spam Spamming is e-mailing or posting unsolicited advertising. Never post advertising on a Newsgroup unless it is specifically created to accept adverts. Second Hit ========================= http://groups.google.com/googlegroup...ing_style.html Please do not use Usenet as an advertising medium. Advertisements on Usenet are rarely appreciated. In general, the louder or more inappropriate the ad is, the more antagonism it stirs up. Just think how annoying it is to you to have your evening meal interrupted by a telemarketer. The feeling is the same when someone posts inappropriate commercial messages in a newsgroup. If in doubt, don't do it. Third Hit ========================== http://www.gotfusion.com/tutsTD/groupetiquette.cfm DO NOT Advertise: It doesn't work, it gets people really really mad, it gets me really really mad, and no matter what you say it will not be taken well. Everyone HATES SPAM. This is one of the things that will guarantee that I bring out my "big hammer" and remove your thread. Do not answer posts of this nature as it just adds to the number of posts I have to remove. If you continue to advertise after being warned you may find yourself blacklisted from posting anything on these newsgroups. Fourth Hit ========================== http://www.mommyshelperonline.com/email-etiquette.html 6.) Use 4-6 lines for your signature line, this is an opportunity to highlight your business or company information, but don't be ostentatious.. -- Duane Hookom MS Access MVP "PC Datasheet" wrote in message link.net... Doug, I have always respected your approach and continue to feel that way. My intent here is not meant to put you down in any way. I just am asking you on a professional level where specifically does it say that offers of help on an Access related problem for a fee are prohibited? Steve "Douglas J. Steele" wrote in message ... These newsgroups are not intended for you to solicit commercial business. You know that: you've been told MANY times by MANY different people, yet you still persist. Are you really that egocentric that you figure you can ignore everyone? -- Doug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP http://I.Am/DougSteele (no e-mails, please!) "PC Datasheet" wrote in message ink.net... Why don't you explain it to me in concrete terms, Doug. "Douglas J. Steele" wrote in message ... You just don't get it, do you Steve? -- Doug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP http://I.Am/DougSteele (no e-mails, please!) "PC Datasheet" wrote in message link.net... Contact me at my email address below if you would like outside help with this. My fees are very reasonable. -- PC Datasheet Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications www.pcdatasheet.com |
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Duane,
The question put to you is a legitimate question and deserves a legitimate answer not an Arno R response. Steve "Duane Hookom" wrote in message ... On a scale of 0 to 10 I believe your understanding or acceptance of your behavior is a 0. Contact me at my email address below if you would like assistance with explaining this further. My fees are very reasonable. -- Duane Hookom DuaneHookom AT nospam Hotmail dot nospam com MS Access MVP "PC Datasheet" wrote in message link.net... Duane, So answer this ---- On a scale of 0 to 10, rate your feeling for what you would like to see as to what percentage of posters with a legitimate problem gets his problem solved from the newsgroups where 0 is None and 10 is All. Steve "Duane Hookom" wrote in message ... 1. You are an Access expert and could answer any question posted. Why don't you answer the posts that receive no response? A: There are questions that: - I can't answer (lack of knowledge on my part) - I feel someone can answer better than I can for instance skipping labels in a report or PDF related or ADO code or use of lookup fields - I don't want to answer - I don't have time to answer since there are lots of threads 2. Why don't you respond to the posts that you know the poster is not going to solve his problem from the responses he received? A: - I sometimes go off-line for free or if asked, suggest they make a donation to a charity such as Special Olympics - I am never sure how to determine if the NG is going to satisfy a need - I have suggested an OP find a consultant 3. What if any problems do you see being caused by my offering fee-based help to limited posters in the newsgroups? A: - I objected to this post since you were the first to reply and offered to help for a fee - think for a minute (I assume you can think) what these NGs would become if even 10 or 12 other persons posted similar replies of offers to help for a fee. Maybe every MVP and other significant replier should feel free to offer to help for a fee. I would hate for these NGs to become a marketing tool for consultants. Why is Steve/PC Datasheet special that he should be able to use these NGs to fish for work when others don't? Again, I think you either just don't "get it" or refuse to "accept it". -- Duane Hookom MS Access MVP -- "PC Datasheet" wrote in message ink.net... Answer one question: Do you not think that people come to these News Groups looking for free advice/support? People come to the newsgroups looking for a solution to an Access related problem. Some times they get no response; therefore no solution. Sometimes they get a long winded response that provides no solution. Some times they get a response that is beyond their ability and therefore are unable to implement the solution. Some times the response is so poorly written that it is incomprehensible. Some times the response is written so illogically that it is too hard for the average user to understand. Some times the solution being sought is beyond what can reasonably be expected to be given for free. Some times they get a response offering fee-based help. The poster has the option to contact me if he so chooses. Many do because the need for the solution justifies paying for a solution! My fees are very reasonable and these posters are happy to receive my fee-based help. So where else do you think these posters could go to receive a quick solution for a reasonable fee? I would not have criticized you if this thread was about 10 replies long and it was clear that the OP needed to find a contractor. So, you are agreeing that it is OK to offer fee-based services under certain conditions. Well that is just what I am doing! To paraphrase your words a little, when I think that it is clear that the poster is not going to be able to solve his problem from the newsgroup, then I consider offering him the option of fee-based help. And not every response I make is one offering fee-based help. On at least a ten to one ratio, I provide free advice/support over offering fee-based help. In a vast majority of me free responses, I also take the time to provide a very good quality response. I try to provide all the details the poster needs. Since some time ago when an MVP suggested that I clearly say that my offer for help is fee-based, I have tried to follow that suggestion. Answer three questions --- 1. You are an Access expert and could answer any question posted. Why don't you answer the posts that receive no response? 2. Why don't you respond to the posts that you know the poster is not going to solve his problem from the responses he received? 3. What if any problems do you see being caused by my offering fee-based help to limited posters in the newsgroups? Steve PC Datasheet "Duane Hookom" wrote in message ... You just don't get it. I have only criticized you when your entire post is an offer to provide contract/paid services. In this case, you did this in a post not even 90 minutes old. I have never objected to your (or anyone else's) signature line (at least not that I recall). I have even defended you in threads where your only suggestion of selling services was your signature. I don't recall Ken's reply but I expect you are taking it out of context. I could be wrong but I doubt it. Ken certainly did not reply as you did fishing for work on a brand new thread. I would not have criticized you if this thread was about 10 replies long and it was clear that the OP needed to find a contractor. I rarely if ever see replies like some of yours that jump on a brand new thread with an offer to provide consulting services. It may happen more than I have noticed but you must admit that you blatantly advertise or ask for business more than any other poster by a large margin. I don't read all the Access related NGs but if score was kept in the ones I frequent, you wouldn't have any competition. Answer one question: Do you not think that people come to these News Groups looking for free advice/support? -- Duane Hookom MS Access MVP "PC Datasheet" wrote in message hlink.net... Duane, I will preface what I have to say with, I have been reading the newsgroups for many years and all that time you have stood out as a prominent figure. I can say as a fact that everything that you have always had to say was said in a very professional way. From that I have developed great respect for you and continue to feel that respect. What I have to say is meant to be in the spirit of that respect and is no way intended to put you down. None of what you quoted here comes from the Rulse Of Conduct and therefore does not apply. The Rules Of Conduct are found at http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/ga...RulesofConduct and the pertinent part states: "We ask that you refrain from posting advertisements or solicitations that do not pertain directly to the intended use and purpose of the newsgroup or chat." Nonetheless, here is my response --- As far as advertising, please explain in concrete terms how "Contact me at my email address below if you would like outside help with this. My fees are very reasonable" is advertising. My sig is advertising but again it pertains to the purpose of the newsgroups to provide Access users a resource for help with Access related problems. Duane Hookom, MS Access is the same type of advertising. So is the following: o "MVPDoug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP" o "See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs." o "John Viescas, author "Building Microsoft Access Applications" (Coming Soon!) "Microsoft Office Access 2003 Inside Out" "Running Microsoft Access 2000" "SQL Queries for Mere Mortals" o David Lloyd MCSD .NET http://LemingtonConsulting.com The above are a very small example of what you see daily on the newsgroups. In terms of Contact me if you would like help, I am not the only one to post this type of post. Every once in a while you will see offers from others besides myself. Consider the following: genenky - You can contact me via www.cadellsoftware.org and we can discuss what you're seeking to do.- Ken Snell MS ACCESS MVP No one posts derogatory responses to these others. Is it because Ken is an MVP? In terms of advertising, consider the following in the sig line of an infrequent responder: "A Christian Response http://www.pastornet.net.au/response" Check out the web address. It has absolutely nothing to do with Access. You see other adverts like this and adverts that are directly in the body of the post. None of the above are ever taken to task for advertising that obviously does not pertain to providing Access users a resource for help with Access problems. In conclusion, I want to ask that you drop out of the crowd of the likes of Arno R, Keith Wilby, Randy Harris and others and defend me from their malicious attacks. If you are not willing to do this then I ask that you keep silent rather than trying to support them. Thanks, Duane, Steve "Duane Hookom" wrote in message ... I did a quick search of google: "NewsGroup" etiquette advertise First Hit ========================= http://www.netscape.co.uk/help/faqs/...oupmanners.htm Don't Spam Spamming is e-mailing or posting unsolicited advertising. Never post advertising on a Newsgroup unless it is specifically created to accept adverts. Second Hit ========================= http://groups.google.com/googlegroup...ing_style.html Please do not use Usenet as an advertising medium. Advertisements on Usenet are rarely appreciated. In general, the louder or more inappropriate the ad is, the more antagonism it stirs up. Just think how annoying it is to you to have your evening meal interrupted by a telemarketer. The feeling is the same when someone posts inappropriate commercial messages in a newsgroup. If in doubt, don't do it. Third Hit ========================== http://www.gotfusion.com/tutsTD/groupetiquette.cfm DO NOT Advertise: It doesn't work, it gets people really really mad, it gets me really really mad, and no matter what you say it will not be taken well. Everyone HATES SPAM. This is one of the things that will guarantee that I bring out my "big hammer" and remove your thread. Do not answer posts of this nature as it just adds to the number of posts I have to remove. If you continue to advertise after being warned you may find yourself blacklisted from posting anything on these newsgroups. Fourth Hit ========================== http://www.mommyshelperonline.com/email-etiquette.html 6.) Use 4-6 lines for your signature line, this is an opportunity to highlight your business or company information, but don't be ostentatious.. -- Duane Hookom MS Access MVP "PC Datasheet" wrote in message link.net... Doug, I have always respected your approach and continue to feel that way. My intent here is not meant to put you down in any way. I just am asking you on a professional level where specifically does it say that offers of help on an Access related problem for a fee are prohibited? Steve "Douglas J. Steele" wrote in message ... These newsgroups are not intended for you to solicit commercial business. You know that: you've been told MANY times by MANY different people, yet you still persist. Are you really that egocentric that you figure you can ignore everyone? -- Doug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP http://I.Am/DougSteele (no e-mails, please!) "PC Datasheet" wrote in message ink.net... Why don't you explain it to me in concrete terms, Doug. "Douglas J. Steele" wrote in message ... You just don't get it, do you Steve? -- Doug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP http://I.Am/DougSteele (no e-mails, please!) "PC Datasheet" wrote in message link.net... Contact me at my email address below if you would like outside help with this. My fees are very reasonable. -- PC Datasheet Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications www.pcdatasheet.com |
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Why should I answer your questions when you have ignored mine?
My question that you ignored is "Why is Steve/PC Datasheet special that he should be able to use these NGs to fish for work when others don't?" -- Duane Hookom MS Access MVP "PC Datasheet" wrote in message ink.net... Duane, The question put to you is a legitimate question and deserves a legitimate answer not an Arno R response. Steve "Duane Hookom" wrote in message ... On a scale of 0 to 10 I believe your understanding or acceptance of your behavior is a 0. Contact me at my email address below if you would like assistance with explaining this further. My fees are very reasonable. -- Duane Hookom DuaneHookom AT nospam Hotmail dot nospam com MS Access MVP "PC Datasheet" wrote in message link.net... Duane, So answer this ---- On a scale of 0 to 10, rate your feeling for what you would like to see as to what percentage of posters with a legitimate problem gets his problem solved from the newsgroups where 0 is None and 10 is All. Steve "Duane Hookom" wrote in message ... 1. You are an Access expert and could answer any question posted. Why don't you answer the posts that receive no response? A: There are questions that: - I can't answer (lack of knowledge on my part) - I feel someone can answer better than I can for instance skipping labels in a report or PDF related or ADO code or use of lookup fields - I don't want to answer - I don't have time to answer since there are lots of threads 2. Why don't you respond to the posts that you know the poster is not going to solve his problem from the responses he received? A: - I sometimes go off-line for free or if asked, suggest they make a donation to a charity such as Special Olympics - I am never sure how to determine if the NG is going to satisfy a need - I have suggested an OP find a consultant 3. What if any problems do you see being caused by my offering fee-based help to limited posters in the newsgroups? A: - I objected to this post since you were the first to reply and offered to help for a fee - think for a minute (I assume you can think) what these NGs would become if even 10 or 12 other persons posted similar replies of offers to help for a fee. Maybe every MVP and other significant replier should feel free to offer to help for a fee. I would hate for these NGs to become a marketing tool for consultants. Why is Steve/PC Datasheet special that he should be able to use these NGs to fish for work when others don't? Again, I think you either just don't "get it" or refuse to "accept it". -- Duane Hookom MS Access MVP -- "PC Datasheet" wrote in message ink.net... Answer one question: Do you not think that people come to these News Groups looking for free advice/support? People come to the newsgroups looking for a solution to an Access related problem. Some times they get no response; therefore no solution. Sometimes they get a long winded response that provides no solution. Some times they get a response that is beyond their ability and therefore are unable to implement the solution. Some times the response is so poorly written that it is incomprehensible. Some times the response is written so illogically that it is too hard for the average user to understand. Some times the solution being sought is beyond what can reasonably be expected to be given for free. Some times they get a response offering fee-based help. The poster has the option to contact me if he so chooses. Many do because the need for the solution justifies paying for a solution! My fees are very reasonable and these posters are happy to receive my fee-based help. So where else do you think these posters could go to receive a quick solution for a reasonable fee? I would not have criticized you if this thread was about 10 replies long and it was clear that the OP needed to find a contractor. So, you are agreeing that it is OK to offer fee-based services under certain conditions. Well that is just what I am doing! To paraphrase your words a little, when I think that it is clear that the poster is not going to be able to solve his problem from the newsgroup, then I consider offering him the option of fee-based help. And not every response I make is one offering fee-based help. On at least a ten to one ratio, I provide free advice/support over offering fee-based help. In a vast majority of me free responses, I also take the time to provide a very good quality response. I try to provide all the details the poster needs. Since some time ago when an MVP suggested that I clearly say that my offer for help is fee-based, I have tried to follow that suggestion. Answer three questions --- 1. You are an Access expert and could answer any question posted. Why don't you answer the posts that receive no response? 2. Why don't you respond to the posts that you know the poster is not going to solve his problem from the responses he received? 3. What if any problems do you see being caused by my offering fee-based help to limited posters in the newsgroups? Steve PC Datasheet "Duane Hookom" wrote in message ... You just don't get it. I have only criticized you when your entire post is an offer to provide contract/paid services. In this case, you did this in a post not even 90 minutes old. I have never objected to your (or anyone else's) signature line (at least not that I recall). I have even defended you in threads where your only suggestion of selling services was your signature. I don't recall Ken's reply but I expect you are taking it out of context. I could be wrong but I doubt it. Ken certainly did not reply as you did fishing for work on a brand new thread. I would not have criticized you if this thread was about 10 replies long and it was clear that the OP needed to find a contractor. I rarely if ever see replies like some of yours that jump on a brand new thread with an offer to provide consulting services. It may happen more than I have noticed but you must admit that you blatantly advertise or ask for business more than any other poster by a large margin. I don't read all the Access related NGs but if score was kept in the ones I frequent, you wouldn't have any competition. Answer one question: Do you not think that people come to these News Groups looking for free advice/support? -- Duane Hookom MS Access MVP "PC Datasheet" wrote in message hlink.net... Duane, I will preface what I have to say with, I have been reading the newsgroups for many years and all that time you have stood out as a prominent figure. I can say as a fact that everything that you have always had to say was said in a very professional way. From that I have developed great respect for you and continue to feel that respect. What I have to say is meant to be in the spirit of that respect and is no way intended to put you down. None of what you quoted here comes from the Rulse Of Conduct and therefore does not apply. The Rules Of Conduct are found at http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/ga...RulesofConduct and the pertinent part states: "We ask that you refrain from posting advertisements or solicitations that do not pertain directly to the intended use and purpose of the newsgroup or chat." Nonetheless, here is my response --- As far as advertising, please explain in concrete terms how "Contact me at my email address below if you would like outside help with this. My fees are very reasonable" is advertising. My sig is advertising but again it pertains to the purpose of the newsgroups to provide Access users a resource for help with Access related problems. Duane Hookom, MS Access is the same type of advertising. So is the following: o "MVPDoug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP" o "See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs." o "John Viescas, author "Building Microsoft Access Applications" (Coming Soon!) "Microsoft Office Access 2003 Inside Out" "Running Microsoft Access 2000" "SQL Queries for Mere Mortals" o David Lloyd MCSD .NET http://LemingtonConsulting.com The above are a very small example of what you see daily on the newsgroups. In terms of Contact me if you would like help, I am not the only one to post this type of post. Every once in a while you will see offers from others besides myself. Consider the following: genenky - You can contact me via www.cadellsoftware.org and we can discuss what you're seeking to do.- Ken Snell MS ACCESS MVP No one posts derogatory responses to these others. Is it because Ken is an MVP? In terms of advertising, consider the following in the sig line of an infrequent responder: "A Christian Response http://www.pastornet.net.au/response" Check out the web address. It has absolutely nothing to do with Access. You see other adverts like this and adverts that are directly in the body of the post. None of the above are ever taken to task for advertising that obviously does not pertain to providing Access users a resource for help with Access problems. In conclusion, I want to ask that you drop out of the crowd of the likes of Arno R, Keith Wilby, Randy Harris and others and defend me from their malicious attacks. If you are not willing to do this then I ask that you keep silent rather than trying to support them. Thanks, Duane, Steve "Duane Hookom" wrote in message ... I did a quick search of google: "NewsGroup" etiquette advertise First Hit ========================= http://www.netscape.co.uk/help/faqs/...oupmanners.htm Don't Spam Spamming is e-mailing or posting unsolicited advertising. Never post advertising on a Newsgroup unless it is specifically created to accept adverts. Second Hit ========================= http://groups.google.com/googlegroup...ing_style.html Please do not use Usenet as an advertising medium. Advertisements on Usenet are rarely appreciated. In general, the louder or more inappropriate the ad is, the more antagonism it stirs up. Just think how annoying it is to you to have your evening meal interrupted by a telemarketer. The feeling is the same when someone posts inappropriate commercial messages in a newsgroup. If in doubt, don't do it. Third Hit ========================== http://www.gotfusion.com/tutsTD/groupetiquette.cfm DO NOT Advertise: It doesn't work, it gets people really really mad, it gets me really really mad, and no matter what you say it will not be taken well. Everyone HATES SPAM. This is one of the things that will guarantee that I bring out my "big hammer" and remove your thread. Do not answer posts of this nature as it just adds to the number of posts I have to remove. If you continue to advertise after being warned you may find yourself blacklisted from posting anything on these newsgroups. Fourth Hit ========================== http://www.mommyshelperonline.com/email-etiquette.html 6.) Use 4-6 lines for your signature line, this is an opportunity to highlight your business or company information, but don't be ostentatious.. -- Duane Hookom MS Access MVP "PC Datasheet" wrote in message link.net... Doug, I have always respected your approach and continue to feel that way. My intent here is not meant to put you down in any way. I just am asking you on a professional level where specifically does it say that offers of help on an Access related problem for a fee are prohibited? Steve "Douglas J. Steele" wrote in message ... These newsgroups are not intended for you to solicit commercial business. You know that: you've been told MANY times by MANY different people, yet you still persist. Are you really that egocentric that you figure you can ignore everyone? -- Doug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP http://I.Am/DougSteele (no e-mails, please!) "PC Datasheet" wrote in message ink.net... Why don't you explain it to me in concrete terms, Doug. "Douglas J. Steele" wrote in message ... You just don't get it, do you Steve? -- Doug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP http://I.Am/DougSteele (no e-mails, please!) "PC Datasheet" wrote in message link.net... Contact me at my email address below if you would like outside help with this. My fees are very reasonable. -- PC Datasheet Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications www.pcdatasheet.com |
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"People come to the newsgroups looking for a solution to an Access related problem. Sometimes they get no response; therefore no solution." Fat chance Steve when you respond with your plug so quickly. Or do you really believe those who volunteer their expertise here are, like you, waiting to pounce on a post? I'll say one thing Steve. You provide plenty of entertainment. Given the repetitious diatribes you put out you are obviously not too busy. Get a life mate. You have no chance of scoring any points here. Your begging for work here rings like an encyclopaedia door-to-door salesman. Oh, and as you will have gathered from my previous post, why do you not sign your questions to the newsgroups the same way you sign your questions? Questions, I figure, you already know the answers to? PC Datasheet wrote: Answer one question: Do you not think that people come to these News Groups looking for free advice/support? People come to the newsgroups looking for a solution to an Access related problem. Some times they get no response; therefore no solution. Sometimes they get a long winded response that provides no solution. Some times they get a response that is beyond their ability and therefore are unable to implement the solution. Some times the response is so poorly written that it is incomprehensible. Some times the response is written so illogically that it is too hard for the average user to understand. Some times the solution being sought is beyond what can reasonably be expected to be given for free. Some times they get a response offering fee-based help. The poster has the option to contact me if he so chooses. Many do because the need for the solution justifies paying for a solution! My fees are very reasonable and these posters are happy to receive my fee-based help. So where else do you think these posters could go to receive a quick solution for a reasonable fee? I would not have criticized you if this thread was about 10 replies long and it was clear that the OP needed to find a contractor. So, you are agreeing that it is OK to offer fee-based services under certain conditions. Well that is just what I am doing! To paraphrase your words a little, when I think that it is clear that the poster is not going to be able to solve his problem from the newsgroup, then I consider offering him the option of fee-based help. And not every response I make is one offering fee-based help. On at least a ten to one ratio, I provide free advice/support over offering fee-based help. In a vast majority of me free responses, I also take the time to provide a very good quality response. I try to provide all the details the poster needs. Since some time ago when an MVP suggested that I clearly say that my offer for help is fee-based, I have tried to follow that suggestion. Answer three questions --- 1. You are an Access expert and could answer any question posted. Why don't you answer the posts that receive no response? 2. Why don't you respond to the posts that you know the poster is not going to solve his problem from the responses he received? 3. What if any problems do you see being caused by my offering fee-based help to limited posters in the newsgroups? Steve PC Datasheet "Duane Hookom" wrote in message ... You just don't get it. I have only criticized you when your entire post is an offer to provide contract/paid services. In this case, you did this in a post not even 90 minutes old. I have never objected to your (or anyone else's) signature line (at least not that I recall). I have even defended you in threads where your only suggestion of selling services was your signature. I don't recall Ken's reply but I expect you are taking it out of context. I could be wrong but I doubt it. Ken certainly did not reply as you did fishing for work on a brand new thread. I would not have criticized you if this thread was about 10 replies long and it was clear that the OP needed to find a contractor. I rarely if ever see replies like some of yours that jump on a brand new thread with an offer to provide consulting services. It may happen more than I have noticed but you must admit that you blatantly advertise or ask for business more than any other poster by a large margin. I don't read all the Access related NGs but if score was kept in the ones I frequent, you wouldn't have any competition. Answer one question: Do you not think that people come to these News Groups looking for free advice/support? -- Duane Hookom MS Access MVP "PC Datasheet" wrote in message rthlink.net... Duane, I will preface what I have to say with, I have been reading the newsgroups for many years and all that time you have stood out as a prominent figure. I can say as a fact that everything that you have always had to say was said in a very professional way. From that I have developed great respect for you and continue to feel that respect. What I have to say is meant to be in the spirit of that respect and is no way intended to put you down. None of what you quoted here comes from the Rulse Of Conduct and therefore does not apply. The Rules Of Conduct are found at http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/ga...RulesofConduct and the pertinent part states: "We ask that you refrain from posting advertisements or solicitations that do not pertain directly to the intended use and purpose of the newsgroup or chat." Nonetheless, here is my response --- As far as advertising, please explain in concrete terms how "Contact me at my email address below if you would like outside help with this. My fees are very reasonable" is advertising. My sig is advertising but again it pertains to the purpose of the newsgroups to provide Access users a resource for help with Access related problems. Duane Hookom, MS Access is the same type of advertising. So is the following: o "MVPDoug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP" o "See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs." o "John Viescas, author "Building Microsoft Access Applications" (Coming Soon!) "Microsoft Office Access 2003 Inside Out" "Running Microsoft Access 2000" "SQL Queries for Mere Mortals" o David Lloyd MCSD .NET http://LemingtonConsulting.com The above are a very small example of what you see daily on the newsgroups. In terms of Contact me if you would like help, I am not the only one to post this type of post. Every once in a while you will see offers from others besides myself. Consider the following: genenky - You can contact me via www.cadellsoftware.org and we can discuss what you're seeking to do.- Ken Snell MS ACCESS MVP No one posts derogatory responses to these others. Is it because Ken is an MVP? In terms of advertising, consider the following in the sig line of an infrequent responder: "A Christian Response http://www.pastornet.net.au/response" Check out the web address. It has absolutely nothing to do with Access. You see other adverts like this and adverts that are directly in the body of the post. None of the above are ever taken to task for advertising that obviously does not pertain to providing Access users a resource for help with Access problems. In conclusion, I want to ask that you drop out of the crowd of the likes of Arno R, Keith Wilby, Randy Harris and others and defend me from their malicious attacks. If you are not willing to do this then I ask that you keep silent rather than trying to support them. Thanks, Duane, Steve "Duane Hookom" wrote in message ... I did a quick search of google: "NewsGroup" etiquette advertise First Hit ========================= http://www.netscape.co.uk/help/faqs/...oupmanners.htm Don't Spam Spamming is e-mailing or posting unsolicited advertising. Never post advertising on a Newsgroup unless it is specifically created to accept adverts. Second Hit ========================= http://groups.google.com/googlegroup...ing_style.html Please do not use Usenet as an advertising medium. Advertisements on Usenet are rarely appreciated. In general, the louder or more inappropriate the ad is, the more antagonism it stirs up. Just think how annoying it is to you to have your evening meal interrupted by a telemarketer. The feeling is the same when someone posts inappropriate commercial messages in a newsgroup. If in doubt, don't do it. Third Hit ========================== http://www.gotfusion.com/tutsTD/groupetiquette.cfm DO NOT Advertise: It doesn't work, it gets people really really mad, it gets me really really mad, and no matter what you say it will not be taken well. Everyone HATES SPAM. This is one of the things that will guarantee that I bring out my "big hammer" and remove your thread. Do not answer posts of this nature as it just adds to the number of posts I have to remove. If you continue to advertise after being warned you may find yourself blacklisted from posting anything on these newsgroups. Fourth Hit ========================== http://www.mommyshelperonline.com/email-etiquette.html 6.) Use 4-6 lines for your signature line, this is an opportunity to highlight your business or company information, but don't be ostentatious.. -- Duane Hookom MS Access MVP "PC Datasheet" wrote in message arthlink.net... Doug, I have always respected your approach and continue to feel that way. My intent here is not meant to put you down in any way. I just am asking you on a professional level where specifically does it say that offers of help on an Access related problem for a fee are prohibited? Steve "Douglas J. Steele" wrote in message ... These newsgroups are not intended for you to solicit commercial business. You know that: you've been told MANY times by MANY different people, yet you still persist. Are you really that egocentric that you figure you can ignore everyone? -- Doug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP http://I.Am/DougSteele (no e-mails, please!) "PC Datasheet" wrote in message . earthlink.net... Why don't you explain it to me in concrete terms, Doug. "Douglas J. Steele" wrote in message ... You just don't get it, do you Steve? -- Doug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP http://I.Am/DougSteele (no e-mails, please!) "PC Datasheet" wrote in message tl.earthlink.net... Contact me at my email address below if you would like outside help with this. My fees are very reasonable. -- PC Datasheet Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications www.pcdatasheet.com |
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Well Sharon,
You must be wondering what the hell you have started here. I wish I could address you problem, but I cannot. I hope somebody answers you question soon. BTW its not a good idea to send attachments with your posts. Generally no one will open them fearing a payload! Cheers, WSF sharan wrote: Please see the attachment. How can I create a form like this to store information. Here is what I have done. Created table BUSINESS , which has all the business names. Created table CATEGORY , that has the Business name and Category Name. Created table SUB CATEGORY , that has the Category Name and Sub Category Name. Created table APPLICATION , Which has all the Application Names Created table COMPONET, Which has the Application Name and Component Name. I have linked all the tables and have primary keys. Create a query which would pull out all the Business, Category , Subcategory , Application and Component infomation. PROBLEM: If you look at the attachment I need to store values X. How doI store this information and it which Table. Also how can I design a form like the Excel sheet that helps me to store Information in a user friendly way. Thanks, Sharan. |
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What has posting a question or an answer got to do with credibility? He
raises a legitimate point, but you respond by personally attacking him. The newsgroups are full of lurkers who find answers to their questions or enhance their knowledge by reading the newsgroups without having to post a question or an answer, . Are you such a novice to newsgroups that you do not understand that David uses disucussions.microsoft.com as part of his user name to prevent his email address being harvested? I'm willing to bet his name really is David Mueller and that your parents names are not the Datasheets. You enjoy twisting comments about your behaviour to fit your behaviour. Are you sure you are not a lawyer? You have the ambulance chasing part down pat. In a previous thread I mentioned that at least someone did mention that there was cost to their help. You twisted that to be that I considered that form of advertising was ok. I consider that case to be similar to someone tossing a hand grenade in a room versus someone tossing a hand grenade in a room and yelling DUCK! The second version is slightly better because it did warn the occupants about what could happen, but that does not mean I agree with throwing hand grenades into occupied rooms. John... Visio MVP "PC Datasheet" wrote in message link.net... You have no credibility whoever you are! You have not posted or responded in the Access newsgroups in the past three years and you hide behind discussions.microsoft.com trying to avoid being traced. Steve "David Mueller" wrote in message news Steve, My dad, who clicks twice when he only needs to click once, already knows that newsgroups are not the place for commercial activity. If Sharan wanted for-hire services she wouldn't have posted here. You know that!!! a large number of participants in this newsgroup are opposed to your crass commercial activities I am one of the large number of participants in this newsgroup that is opposed to your commercial activites. And just because its Columbus Day, and I don't have much to do, I'll waste my time to tell you. Normally, the large number of us don't bother to post, but from now on, I think I will. Most of us roll our eyes and grunt over at the 15-20 seconds it took for your post to load, and for us to read it. That is 20 seconds of our lives that we'll never get back. You write well enough that I know you're not as thick as you act. For someone who admits to reading news groups for many years, you know darn well that solicitation/commercial activity is not welcome. What concrete evidence do you have to support this statement? Stop hiding behind a lack of concrete evidence. Social groups have what are called mores (mo * res) that are not documented, but are accepted and expected of the group. Please move on to something else. |
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I can't believe you tried to drop that smelly old argumentum ad hominem on
this group! If anyone lacks credibility it is you since I have three contributory posts on this forum: two dated 7/29/05; one dated 7/15/05; in addition to a question for help. Although it has nothing to do with the issue at hand - David Mueller is my real name. "PC Datasheet" wrote: You have no credibility whoever you are! You have not posted or responded in the Access newsgroups in the past three years and you hide behind discussions.microsoft.com trying to avoid being traced. Steve "David Mueller" wrote in message news Steve, My dad, who clicks twice when he only needs to click once, already knows that newsgroups are not the place for commercial activity. If Sharan wanted for-hire services she wouldn't have posted here. You know that!!! a large number of participants in this newsgroup are opposed to your crass commercial activities I am one of the large number of participants in this newsgroup that is opposed to your commercial activites. And just because its Columbus Day, and I don't have much to do, I'll waste my time to tell you. Normally, the large number of us don't bother to post, but from now on, I think I will. Most of us roll our eyes and grunt over at the 15-20 seconds it took for your post to load, and for us to read it. That is 20 seconds of our lives that we'll never get back. You write well enough that I know you're not as thick as you act. For someone who admits to reading news groups for many years, you know darn well that solicitation/commercial activity is not welcome. What concrete evidence do you have to support this statement? Stop hiding behind a lack of concrete evidence. Social groups have what are called mores (mo * res) that are not documented, but are accepted and expected of the group. Please move on to something else. |
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David, there is absolutely no need for you to defend
yourself from such an obviously spurious attack. Your credibility is every bit as good as anyone's and better than that of someone with an established pattern of irritating behavior. -- Marsh David Mueller wrote: I can't believe you tried to drop that smelly old argumentum ad hominem on this group! If anyone lacks credibility it is you since I have three contributory posts on this forum: two dated 7/29/05; one dated 7/15/05; in addition to a question for help. Although it has nothing to do with the issue at hand - David Mueller is my real name. "PC Datasheet" wrote: You have no credibility whoever you are! You have not posted or responded in the Access newsgroups in the past three years and you hide behind discussions.microsoft.com trying to avoid being traced. Steve |
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"PC Datasheet" wrote: So answer this ---- On a scale of 0 to 10, rate your feeling for what you would like to see as to what percentage of posters with a legitimate problem gets his problem solved from the newsgroups where 0 is None and 10 is All. The question put to you (Duane) is a legitimate question and deserves a legitimate answer not an Arno R response. This question is another logical fallacy similar to your ad hominem attack on me earlier. This latest "begs the question", therefore it is not a legitimate question in this context. In other words, ... of course everyone wants everyone to get all the help they need. But that says nothing regarding the intention, culture, or rules of the newsgroup. If you want the intention changed, lobby Microsoft, or start your own discussion forum on your own dime. If you need help setting up your own newsgroup/blog/discussion forum, there are plenty of newsgroup/discussion forum sites that offer free help and advice! If you have other questions, please refer to my previous post. I have work to do... |
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Your statements are simply not true! Below are direct quotes from the
previous thread. Your last line explicitly suggests that I indictate my offer of help is fee-based in my "call me" messages. I took your suggestion since then and have tried to do that in each "call me" message. Take a look at my response in this thread. I said "My fees are very reasonable"; just as you suggested. I know that and provide a lot of free support in the Access newsgroups! True, but that is not the issue you are being taken to task on. It is your offering to help without disclosing the cost. ...... When you post any of your "call me" messages, you need to indicate that unlike other offers of help, your help comes at a price. Steve "John Marshall, MVP" wrote in message ... What has posting a question or an answer got to do with credibility? He raises a legitimate point, but you respond by personally attacking him. The newsgroups are full of lurkers who find answers to their questions or enhance their knowledge by reading the newsgroups without having to post a question or an answer, . Are you such a novice to newsgroups that you do not understand that David uses disucussions.microsoft.com as part of his user name to prevent his email address being harvested? I'm willing to bet his name really is David Mueller and that your parents names are not the Datasheets. You enjoy twisting comments about your behaviour to fit your behaviour. Are you sure you are not a lawyer? You have the ambulance chasing part down pat. In a previous thread I mentioned that at least someone did mention that there was cost to their help. You twisted that to be that I considered that form of advertising was ok. I consider that case to be similar to someone tossing a hand grenade in a room versus someone tossing a hand grenade in a room and yelling DUCK! The second version is slightly better because it did warn the occupants about what could happen, but that does not mean I agree with throwing hand grenades into occupied rooms. John... Visio MVP "PC Datasheet" wrote in message link.net... You have no credibility whoever you are! You have not posted or responded in the Access newsgroups in the past three years and you hide behind discussions.microsoft.com trying to avoid being traced. Steve "David Mueller" wrote in message news Steve, My dad, who clicks twice when he only needs to click once, already knows that newsgroups are not the place for commercial activity. If Sharan wanted for-hire services she wouldn't have posted here. You know that!!! a large number of participants in this newsgroup are opposed to your crass commercial activities I am one of the large number of participants in this newsgroup that is opposed to your commercial activites. And just because its Columbus Day, and I don't have much to do, I'll waste my time to tell you. Normally, the large number of us don't bother to post, but from now on, I think I will. Most of us roll our eyes and grunt over at the 15-20 seconds it took for your post to load, and for us to read it. That is 20 seconds of our lives that we'll never get back. You write well enough that I know you're not as thick as you act. For someone who admits to reading news groups for many years, you know darn well that solicitation/commercial activity is not welcome. What concrete evidence do you have to support this statement? Stop hiding behind a lack of concrete evidence. Social groups have what are called mores (mo * res) that are not documented, but are accepted and expected of the group. Please move on to something else. |
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