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Rick Brandt wrote:

Crossposting is only frowned upon when the number of groups is excessive.
As this one only has four groups I would say it's fine (albeit at the high
end of fine).


I H8 it when someone cross posts to about 8 groups, legitimate question
and everything and when I reply I'm met with a message "non existent
newsgroups". I suppose a fault lies with newsgroup creators, e.g.
microsoft.public groups, how many do you really need? e.g:

microsoft.public.access.developers.toolkitode
microsoft.public.access.developerstoolkitode
microsoft.public.access.developers.toolkit

So if you had a question on the developers toolkit, where do you post?
There's loads of examples of "clientserver" vs "clientsvr", etc I'm sure
some groups could just be dropped but I guess it's harder to drop a
group than it is to create one. I see someone has created one called
"alt.netcom.******s.send.too.many.newgroups" but ironically just creates
yet another group for someone to crosspost to.

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Trevor Best wrote:

I also hate people who end every paragraph with a smiley :-)

On bad days a Grin just makes me want to take a baseball bat
and give'em such a smash.

"Trevor Best" wrote...

I H8 it when someone cross posts to about 8 groups, legitimate question
and everything and when I reply I'm met with a message "non existent
newsgroups". I suppose a fault lies with newsgroup creators, e.g.
microsoft.public groups, how many do you really need? e.g:

microsoft.public.access.developers.toolkitode
microsoft.public.access.developerstoolkitode
microsoft.public.access.developers.toolkit

So if you had a question on the developers toolkit, where do you post?
There's loads of examples of "clientserver" vs "clientsvr", etc I'm sure
some groups could just be dropped but I guess it's harder to drop a
group than it is to create one. I see someone has created one called
"alt.netcom.******s.send.too.many.newgroups" but ironically just creates
yet another group for someone to crosspost to.

The only way around THAT is to always use the original server,
msnews.microsoft.com. Many ISPs pick up groups that have actually been
removed, for example microsoft.public.access.developerstoolkitode was
removed when someone pointed out that there was a standard of some sort
suggesting = 14 characters per segment.

The ISPs and those who they get their feeds from claim that deleting the
group would be inapprpriate since people still post sometimes.

And then problem perpetuates itself.


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(Top posted for the sheer hell of it...)

October 1995?

(Just watch Chris get vehement now.)

"Chris2" wrote in message
...

"Lyn" wrote in message
...
This may be straying from the original topic (but then who hasn't in
this
thread :-), but I have a serious question. Like David, I didn't
understand
the reference to "top posting". Nor Trevor's response -- at first (but
I
got it eventually :-).

Lyn,

RFC1855: Netiquette Guidelines, http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html,
mandates bottom-posting.

"If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you
summarize
the original at the top of the message, or include just enough text of the
original to give a context. This will make sure readers understand when
they start to read your response. Since NetNews, especially, is
proliferated by distributing the postings from one host to another, it is
possible to see a response to a message before seeing the original.
Giving
context helps everyone. But do not include the entire original!"

That should be enough for anyone.


Sincerely,

Chris O.

Whatever they "should" be doing, many crossposters expect responses to
appear in the group from which they posted. Eliminating newsgroups from a
crosspost list may well prevent the original poster from seeing your
response.

Eliminating newsgroups from responses may happen if your news source doesn't
carry them all, but that's unavoidable.

Larry Linson
Microsoft Access MVP

"Noozer" wrote in message
...

O.K. I asked that wrong. Is it bad form to remove newsgroups from a
cross-posted article when replying to it. I tend to remove the
groups I don't read.

Remove any group you like. A person should be watching any group they post
to.

"rkc" wrote

On bad days a Grin just makes
me want to take a baseball bat
and give'em such a smash.

Hope you're not having a bad day, today! OUCH

"Lyn" wrote in message
...
This may be straying from the original topic (but then who hasn't in this
thread :-), but I have a serious question. Like David, I didn't
understand
the reference to "top posting". Nor Trevor's response -- at first (but I
got it eventually :-).

Lyn,

RFC1855: Netiquette Guidelines, http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html,
mandates bottom-posting.

"If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you summarize
the original at the top of the message, or include just enough text of the
original to give a context. This will make sure readers understand when
they start to read your response. Since NetNews, especially, is
proliferated by distributing the postings from one host to another, it is
possible to see a response to a message before seeing the original. Giving
context helps everyone. But do not include the entire original!"

That should be enough for anyone.


Sincerely,

Chris O.

"Rob Oldfield" wrote in message
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(Top posted for the sheer hell of it...)

October 1995?

(Just watch Chris get vehement now.)

Nope. :P

It was first created in 1995, but has been updated a few times since
then.

They are only "guidelines", and not laws. (However, I do think they
are *good* guidelines.)


Chris O.

"Terry Kreft" wrote:

A. People who complain about top/bottom posting instead of learning how to
scroll g.

Or folks who don't trim.

Tony
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John Vinson wrote:

This argument has been going on as long as Usenet has existed.

For those of us from BBSs and/or Fidonet it was defiitely trim and bottom post.

Tony
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