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  #51  
Old January 25th, 2005, 01:36 PM
Darryl Kerkeslager
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"John Vinson" wrote in message
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 05:37:06 GMT, Tony Toews
wrote:

John Vinson wrote:

This argument has been going on as long as Usenet has existed.


For those of us from BBSs and/or Fidonet it was defiitely trim and bottom

post.

Tony


It was customary on ARPANet back when that consisted of twelve
university computers too.

John W. Vinson[MVP]


Omigod say it ain't so! FidoNet, yes, but ARPANet!?! I thought you people
were part of the Great Generation that was all gone g


Darryl Kerkeslager




  #52  
Old January 25th, 2005, 02:15 PM
Rick Brandt
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Tony Toews wrote:
John Vinson wrote:

This argument has been going on as long as Usenet has existed.


For those of us from BBSs and/or Fidonet it was defiitely trim and
bottom post.

Tony


As with most things in life context has a lot to do with it (IMO). *Discussion*
groups with threads that go on and on (and on) should most definitely impose a
bottom-post-only protocol otherwise it's a nightmare.

One must always remember that the way *your* newsreader presents a thread to
*you* is not how it is presented to everyone else. The attitude of "If someone
wants to see what I am talking about they can look at previous posts" doesn't
cut it. A post should make (some) sense all by itself.

In *technical* groups where a question is asked and answered it simply doesn't
make enough difference to get worked up about, but I still bottom post (mostly)
because you never know when a thread will turn into a discussion.

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  #53  
Old January 25th, 2005, 02:17 PM
Lyn
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I was actually planning to try out Thunderbird, as soon as I can get enough
time online to download the 6 MB file over my dialup line!

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Cheers,
Lyn.

"Trevor Best" wrote in message
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Mozilla Thunderbird will pop the cursor down the bottom for you, in mail
as well as news, although this is configurable for both.



  #54  
Old January 25th, 2005, 04:36 PM
Ruben Baumann
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Whether one top-posts or bottom-posts - - - just simply isn't that
important!

This is one of those petty little arguments that people start when it's a
slow news day, or they got out of bed on wrong side, or they're trying to
intimidate someone new to the group. :-)

Look, what's really important is that when replying to a post, is that one
follows the preference of the majority of the newsgroup one is participating
in.

The majority for the newsgroup, comp.databases.ms-access, MOSTLY top-posts,
so there I generally top-post. The majority for the newsgroup
comp.lang.python bottom-posts, so there I bottom-post. When joining a
group, I usually lurk around long enough to find out what the majority
prefers, and develop a feel for group, then I just follow along. No biggy.

I don't have a preference either way; it's not that important to me. What
DOES irritate me, A LOT, is when replies include EVERY single previous reply
in the thread. This isn't context, this is waste of my time trying to find
out whether the reply-ee has anything important to add to the discussion, or
just feeding his/her ego with a long, long, long, etc., etc., etc. post. :-)

I do appreciate those people who intersperse their replies when appropriate,
especially when responding to individual points in the post. Some people
even go so far as to break this type of post into several smaller posts when
replying. Sometimes this is good, sometimes not.

The thing is, I appreciate all the answers and the help given by the
responders, and in the end, that's all that matters.

Ruben

"Chris2" wrote in message
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"Lyn" wrote in message
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This may be straying from the original topic (but then who hasn't in this
thread :-), but I have a serious question. Like David, I didn't

understand
the reference to "top posting". Nor Trevor's response -- at first (but I
got it eventually :-).


Lyn,

RFC1855: Netiquette Guidelines, http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html,
mandates bottom-posting.

"If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you
summarize
the original at the top of the message, or include just enough text of the
original to give a context. This will make sure readers understand when
they start to read your response. Since NetNews, especially, is
proliferated by distributing the postings from one host to another, it is
possible to see a response to a message before seeing the original.
Giving
context helps everyone. But do not include the entire original!"

That should be enough for anyone.


Sincerely,

Chris O.




  #55  
Old January 25th, 2005, 07:28 PM
John Vinson
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:36:03 -0500, "Darryl Kerkeslager"
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Omigod say it ain't so! FidoNet, yes, but ARPANet!?! I thought you people
were part of the Great Generation that was all gone g


rapping my cane on the floor Hey you young whippersnapper, let's
have some respect for your elders here! g

John W. Vinson[MVP]
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Old January 26th, 2005, 01:45 AM
Bob Quintal
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"Ruben Baumann" wrote in
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"Lyn" wrote in message
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This may be straying from the original topic (but then who
hasn't in this thread :-), but I have a serious question.
Like David, I didn't understand
the reference to "top posting". Nor Trevor's response -- at
first (but I got it eventually :-).


Lyn,

RFC1855: Netiquette Guidelines,
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html, mandates
bottom-posting.

"If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure
you summarize
the original at the top of the message, or include just enough
text of the original to give a context.
Whether one top-posts or bottom-posts - - - just simply isn't
that important!

This is one of those petty little arguments that people start
when it's a slow news day, or they got out of bed on wrong
side, or they're trying to intimidate someone new to the
group. :-)

Look, what's really important is that when replying to a post,
is that one follows the preference of the majority of the
newsgroup one is participating in.


Maybe it's not important to you. My time is precious to me. I
use a reader that shows messages in a treeview. By simply
clicking on the leaf node of a thread, I can get all the
information out of the thread that's relevant, but only if the
quotations have been judiciously snipped, and the responses are
bottom posted.


The majority for the newsgroup, comp.databases.ms-access,
MOSTLY top-posts, so there I generally top-post. The majority
for the newsgroup comp.lang.python bottom-posts, so there I
bottom-post. When joining a group, I usually lurk around long
enough to find out what the majority prefers, and develop a
feel for group, then I just follow along. No biggy.


I don't accept your comment about the majourity of this group's
replies being top posted. That is not the case.


[remainder snipped]

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Bob Quintal

PA is y I've altered my email address.
  #57  
Old January 26th, 2005, 04:01 AM
Larry Linson
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"Trevor Best" wrote

So none of the 10 command-
ments have relevance anymore?


As I understand it, the political party to which you subscribe may have some
bearing on this.

Think I'll go out and kill someone


I'd suggest you wait and do so on a day when you haven't first posted your
intention on the Internet. Even if the Commandment does not apply, there are
laws against it in every jurisdiction where I have ever visited. And, over
here, they are decidedly "Old-Testmentish" in many of the States.

today and covert my neighbor's wife.


There's a lot of "coveting" going on, but you may have a real point about
the "covert" part -- especially if the neighbor is bigger and tougher than
you are!


  #58  
Old January 26th, 2005, 07:56 AM
Dirk Goldgar
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"Larry Linson" wrote in message
news:MJDJd.19997$c%6.7013@trnddc03
"Trevor Best" wrote
Think I'll go out and kill someone [...]
today and covert my neighbor's wife.


There's a lot of "coveting" going on, but you may have a real point
about the "covert" part -- especially if the neighbor is bigger and
tougher than you are!


Just be sure that, no matter how much you covet her, you don't cover her
unless you do it covertly.

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Dirk Goldgar, MS Access MVP
www.datagnostics.com

(please reply to the newsgroup)


  #59  
Old January 26th, 2005, 07:56 AM
John Mishefske
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John Mishefske wrote:
PC Datasheet wrote:

Does anyone know how to do a "screen scrape" to get data off a website
and
enter it into an Access table?

Thanks for all help?

Steve
PC Datasheet


You could just contact that server with your own HTTP request. Not
terribly difficult to do and then you can decode the response in
code.

The WinInet library has a bunch of API calls to do just this.

Here's one resource:

http://www.mvps.org/access/modules/mdl0037.htm

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  #60  
Old January 26th, 2005, 10:16 AM
David Schofield
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Hi
If we all used tree-view readers like Google's we wouldn't need to
quote any of the original posts at all and most threads would fit on
one screen!
David



 




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