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[ANN] New MathType 6.6 brings math support to over 350 applications and websites
Accepted.
-- Hope this helps, Doug Robbins - Word MVP Please reply only to the newsgroups unless you wish to obtain my services on a paid professional basis. "Bob Mathews" wrote in message ... Point well taken -- indeed it would have been more appropriate, and I understand why. Sorry for the mixup this time. -- Bob Mathews Director of Training Design Science, Inc. bobm at dessci.com http://www.dessci.com/free.asp?free=news FREE fully-functional 30-day evaluation of MathType MathType, MathFlow, MathPlayer, MathDaisy, Equation Editor On 20-Dec-2009, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Indeed, cross-posting would have been more appropriate. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message ... As it was posted separately to multiple newsgroups ..... -- Hope this helps, Doug Robbins - Word MVP |
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[ANN] New MathType 6.6 brings math support to over 350 applications and websites
I don't think it deserved the kerfuffle it's generated.
Other than the one comment by the unfailingly polite resident troll , I think it has been a very interesting discussion. We have all learned alot about Bob Mathews, Gordon has met his objective, and most importantly for me I now know that [ANN] is the proper label for an announcement. Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: One clarification: Equation Editor does ship as part of Microsoft Word, even though the version used in Word 2003 and earlier was created by an outside concern. In Word 2007, MS took over creation of its own editor. This is a continuation of a trend to bring in-house a number of parts of Word previously contracted out, including spelling lexicons and drawing tools. While the makers of those third-party tools have never (to my knowledge) maintained a presence in these NGs, I feel sure that users would have found it helpful, since Word's Help on spelling issues and drawing features such as WordArt (not to mention Microsoft Graph) has never been especially strong. This is the first time I've seen an overt product announcement from Design Science in these NGs, and, while I would tend to agree that it was unwise, I don't think it deserved the kerfuffle it's generated. "Gordon Bentley-Mix" wrote in message ... There are so many holes in that argument it makes a slice of Swiss cheese look like a neutron star. AFAIK, MathType and Equation Editor are not MSFT products - just like (for example) Adobe Acrobat is not a MSFT product. Both work with Word and other Office products, but when there are questions about Acrobat/PDF maker, I don't see reps from Adobe posting answers here. The usual response from the community is "contact Adobe support". Accordingly, rather than prowl the MSFT NGs looking for lost lambs, I would expect Design Science to host their own user support forums and for this community (or even Bob) to direct posters to it as need be. And while I'm sure referring posters to the Design Science FAQs is the correct response in many cases, this particular thread is clearly not one such case. No one asked a question, and there is no reference to said FAQs anywhere apart from this particular post. This thread was initiated as advertising plain and simple - with or without the magic [ANN] label - and the Rules of Conduct clearly ask posters to refrain from such activities. In addition, as Doug points out, it was posted separately to multiple NGs, which fits my definition of SPAM as well. (However, as Bob has since apologised for this oversight, I'm not especially concerned about it.) In any case, there is still a big difference between you (note that I don't say "us" because I'm no longer part of the in crowd) referring posters to the MSFT knowledge base or the MVP website or "personal" sites like yours, Greg's, Graham's, Shauna's, etc. For the most part, none of you have a direct financial interest in directing traffic to any of those sites. Oh sure some of you might own a bit of MSFT stock and thus may have a highly-tenuous interest in the success of MSFT, and the owners of the personal sites may advertise their services or generate a tiny bit of revenue from Google ads and the like, but that hardly compares to a full e-commerce storefront. Finally, I still say that this thread looks like SPAM, and as such I believe it's fair game for doing what I was trying to do: determine if my MVP status has been revoked. As was evident from my second post in this thread, it clearly has been revoked so my goal has been met. And had you just stayed out of it, the peace and harmony of the community - something that you've preached to me about so many times before - would have been considerably less disturbed. One day maybe you'll figure out that this is NOT your own personal newsgroup and give up on sticking your nose into everything. Until that day comes I suggest that you at least refrain from posting in response to my posts. If I ever need or want your help (or the help of the clearly smitten Mr Daniels), I'll ask for - and you can rest assured it'll be a long time before that request is made. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... It is true that Bob works for Design Science. Part of his job is to help MathType and Equation Editor users in these NGs. He therefore keeps an eye on the NGs for posts with questions on those specific topics. If he has few posts, it is because there are few questions. When he refers users to the Design Science FAQs, it is because they answer the users' questions, in the same way that we refer them to MSKB pages or articles at our own Web sites. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Gordon Bentley-Mix" wrote in message ... Now I'm confused. Does posting it separately to multiple newsgroups - with or without the [ANN] label - make it SPAM or not SPAM? And if I posted a link to some dodgy website but signaled properly, would it be OK? Of course, I'm assuming that I fit the "valued contributor" category, having until _very_ recently been an MVP and having posted more than five times in the last three months (and in none of my posts have I ever advised someone to visit a website or use a product that I'm personally associate with). Don't get me wrong. I'm sure MathType is a great product and does stuff that Word's native equation editor (whatever that is) can't do. However, posts that appear to be intended to generate some type of commercial gain for the poster certainly look like SPAM to me. From the Rules of Conduct for the MSFT Discussion Groups: Advertising/Solicitation: These communities were created as a forum for providing peer-to-peer assistance on Microsoft products and services. We ask that you refrain from posting advertisements or solicitations that do not pertain directly to the intended use and purpose of the newsgroup or chat. I also note that there is no mention of the [ANN] label or any other "King's X" special method of identifying a post as being exempt from the rules. In fact, if I still had the power to do so (and could be bothered) I'd probably report this thread as SPAM and ask for it to be removed. -- Cheers! Gordon Bentley-Mix "Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message ... As it was posted separately to multiple newsgroups ..... -- Hope this helps, Doug Robbins - Word MVP Please reply only to the newsgroups unless you wish to obtain my services on a paid professional basis. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... It is not spam. Bob is a valued contributor to these NGs, and many Word users are also users of MathType. This is a legitimate announcement, properly signaled with the [ANN] label. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Gordon Bentley-Mix" wrote in message ... This looks like SPAM to me, so I figure it's a good place to see if my MVP status has been retired yet. "Bob Mathews" wrote in message ... Hi, I know many of you are already MathType users, so I wanted to let you know about yesterday's release of MathType 6.6 for Windows. This new release features handwritten math input via mouse, tablet, or touchscreen, and compatibility with over 350 applications and websites, including Google Docs, Gmail, and WordPress. Our goal is for MathType to eventually work with all applications and websites used by students, teachers, professors, elearning authors, scientists, and engineers. Visit our "Works With ..." web application at http://www.dessci.com/en/products/Ma...works_with.htm to see if your favorites are already in our database. If you don't find the applications you are looking for, or if you wished any of them worked differently with MathType, let us know by emailing or with a tweet to @MathType. Regards, Bob Mathews Design Science, Inc. |
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New MathType 6.6 brings math support to over 350 applications andwebsites
On Dec 21, 5:08*pm, "Peter T. Daniels" wrote:
On Dec 21, 4:13*pm, "Gordon Bentley-Mix" wrote: I said _exactly_ what I wanted to say in this public forum, and I do not recall inviting comment or speculation on the matter. Saying something in a public forum _is_ an invitation to comment. Let's see Mr. Daniels? Does this mean that when you poked your troll nose in an earlier thread in this group and said "Are there no courtesy requirements for becomng [sic] an MVP?" that you were inviting the comments and discussion that followed? That the "fight," as you wished to call it, was in fact "picked" by you and that everything that has followed is the poison fruit of the seed that you sowed? Dream date, smitten. Is there a story here? |
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New MathType 6.6 brings math support to over 350 applications and websites
'Earlier thread'? That thread was well over two years ago, Greg. That's
right -- two years! Have you ever taken a step back and realized you've been languishing over this for over two years? Let it go, man, allowing something to fester for so long can't be good for your health. And, yes, there is a story here. A story that has a sad ending. You call Peter a troll. Do you know the objective of a troll, Greg? A troll's objective is to be the center of one's attention and to emotionally affect them. I personally don't view Peter as a troll, but I recognize you do indeed consider him one. Based on this aspect, have you ever taken a step back and realized Peter has accomplished both of those goals? I'll summarize for you: I have watched someone that I deeply respected and admired turn into someone I no longer recognize. I have watched this person choose to relinquish their MVP status over someone they define as a 'troll' and I have watched long-standing friendships end. The sad ending to this story: Peter may have "sowed the poison fruit" but you're the one who chose to partake of it and continue to return for more. As a result, Peter is the victor in your long-standing battle for you have lost respect and friendship. Both of which take years to build. What has Peter lost? Nothing. "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... Does this mean that when you poked your troll nose in an earlier thread in this group and said "Are there no courtesy requirements for becomng [sic] an MVP?" that you were inviting the comments and discussion that followed? That the "fight," as you wished to call it, was in fact "picked" by you and that everything that has followed is the poison fruit of the seed that you sowed? Dream date, smitten. Is there a story here? |
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New MathType 6.6 brings math support to over 350 applications and websites
Correction, the "courtesy requirement" comment was posted on February 10,
2008. So it hasn't actually been going on for well over two years. It won't be over two years for another 48 days. So to be more precise, it has been going on for 683 days. "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... 'Earlier thread'? That thread was well over two years ago, Greg. That's right -- two years! Have you ever taken a step back and realized you've been languishing over this for over two years? |
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