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January 25th, 2007, 02:35 PM
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10 most common problems for successful headers-footers?
What are the 10 most common problems in using headers and footers when using
different first pages? For 10 years I've recommended that users avoid them unless they have to. I spent another several hours this morning trying to learn how to get the section headers not to insert section page break at bottom of file insert hard Page so you can have a nonfirst page header view header break link page setup different first page go to footer and break link go to page format, break link, select start at new page number 1 go back to header make sure you're in current section NOT first page, break link if it changed back on you insert your non-first page header move to first page header make sure it's empty go to prior section, make sure it's not been linked to later section's headers, then do the same whole sequence for the footers ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL TO BREAK THE LINK EACH TIME YOU ENTER A HEADER OR FOOTER BOX BEFORE ANY TEXT ENTRY. Any text entry seems to replace the prior sections headers instantly. YOU CANNOT PLACE A HEADER FOR NON-FIRST PAGE HEADERS UNTIL AFTER YOU MAKE A SECOND PAGE. TIA Long time sufferer 
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January 25th, 2007, 02:45 PM
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10 most common problems for successful headers-footers?
I guess my prior note just goes to show that I need to take a break.
 I had intended to say: What are the 10 most common problems in using headers and footers when using different first pages? For 10 years I've recommended that users avoid them unless they absolutely have to. I spent another several hours this morning trying to learn how to get the section headers not to somehow keep replacing a prior section's header. My sequence looks something like: insert section page break insert hard Page view header break link page setup different first page go to footer and break link go to page format, break link, select start at new page number 1 go back to header make sure you're in current section NOT first page, break link if it changed back on you insert your non-first page header move to first page header make sure it's empty go to prior section, make sure it's not been copied to prior section's headers, then do the same whole sequence for the footers It seems ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL TO BREAK THE LINK EACH TIME YOU ENTER A HEADER OR FOOTER BOX BEFORE ANY TEXT ENTRY. Any text entry seems to replace the prior sections headers instantly. YOU CANNOT PLACE A HEADER FOR NON-FIRST PAGE HEADERS UNTIL AFTER YOU MAKE A SECOND PAGE. "gil" wrote in message ... What are the 10 most common problems in using headers and footers when using different first pages? For 10 years I've recommended that users avoid them unless they have to. I spent another several hours this morning trying to learn how to get the section headers not to insert section page break at bottom of file insert hard Page so you can have a nonfirst page header view header break link page setup different first page go to footer and break link go to page format, break link, select start at new page number 1 go back to header make sure you're in current section NOT first page, break link if it changed back on you insert your non-first page header move to first page header make sure it's empty go to prior section, make sure it's not been linked to later section's headers, then do the same whole sequence for the footers ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL TO BREAK THE LINK EACH TIME YOU ENTER A HEADER OR FOOTER BOX BEFORE ANY TEXT ENTRY. Any text entry seems to replace the prior sections headers instantly. YOU CANNOT PLACE A HEADER FOR NON-FIRST PAGE HEADERS UNTIL AFTER YOU MAKE A SECOND PAGE. TIA Long time sufferer
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January 25th, 2007, 02:52 PM
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10 most common problems for successful headers-footers?
Hi All, I think it would be useful to have a button on the headers footers toolbar, that automatically creates a new section with different first pages for headers and footers with pagination starting on the 2nd page, and moving the user to enter the new header and footer. Does anyone here have code that will perform this? Gil "gil" wrote in message ... What are the 10 most common problems in using headers and footers when using different first pages? For 10 years I've recommended that users avoid them unless they have to. I spent another several hours this morning trying to learn how to get the section headers not to insert section page break at bottom of file insert hard Page so you can have a nonfirst page header view header break link page setup different first page go to footer and break link go to page format, break link, select start at new page number 1 go back to header make sure you're in current section NOT first page, break link if it changed back on you insert your non-first page header move to first page header make sure it's empty go to prior section, make sure it's not been linked to later section's headers, then do the same whole sequence for the footers ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL TO BREAK THE LINK EACH TIME YOU ENTER A HEADER OR FOOTER BOX BEFORE ANY TEXT ENTRY. Any text entry seems to replace the prior sections headers instantly. YOU CANNOT PLACE A HEADER FOR NON-FIRST PAGE HEADERS UNTIL AFTER YOU MAKE A SECOND PAGE. TIA Long time sufferer
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January 25th, 2007, 02:58 PM
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10 most common problems for successful headers-footers?
Indeed, by default each header (footer) is linked to the corresponding
type of header (footer) in the previous section. Obviously, when you are enabling the "Different first page" option, more work is required to unlink headers (and/or footers). Note, however, that you may not need to unlink. What contents are you adding? If you are referencing something from the main body of the document, a STYLEREF field could do the job. See http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/HeaderFooter.htm and the first section of http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/StyleRef.htm. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "gil" wrote in message ... I guess my prior note just goes to show that I need to take a break. I had intended to say: What are the 10 most common problems in using headers and footers when using different first pages? For 10 years I've recommended that users avoid them unless they absolutely have to. I spent another several hours this morning trying to learn how to get the section headers not to somehow keep replacing a prior section's header. My sequence looks something like: insert section page break insert hard Page view header break link page setup different first page go to footer and break link go to page format, break link, select start at new page number 1 go back to header make sure you're in current section NOT first page, break link if it changed back on you insert your non-first page header move to first page header make sure it's empty go to prior section, make sure it's not been copied to prior section's headers, then do the same whole sequence for the footers It seems ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL TO BREAK THE LINK EACH TIME YOU ENTER A HEADER OR FOOTER BOX BEFORE ANY TEXT ENTRY. Any text entry seems to replace the prior sections headers instantly. YOU CANNOT PLACE A HEADER FOR NON-FIRST PAGE HEADERS UNTIL AFTER YOU MAKE A SECOND PAGE. "gil" wrote in message ... What are the 10 most common problems in using headers and footers when using different first pages? For 10 years I've recommended that users avoid them unless they have to. I spent another several hours this morning trying to learn how to get the section headers not to insert section page break at bottom of file insert hard Page so you can have a nonfirst page header view header break link page setup different first page go to footer and break link go to page format, break link, select start at new page number 1 go back to header make sure you're in current section NOT first page, break link if it changed back on you insert your non-first page header move to first page header make sure it's empty go to prior section, make sure it's not been linked to later section's headers, then do the same whole sequence for the footers ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL TO BREAK THE LINK EACH TIME YOU ENTER A HEADER OR FOOTER BOX BEFORE ANY TEXT ENTRY. Any text entry seems to replace the prior sections headers instantly. YOU CANNOT PLACE A HEADER FOR NON-FIRST PAGE HEADERS UNTIL AFTER YOU MAKE A SECOND PAGE. TIA Long time sufferer
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January 25th, 2007, 03:13 PM
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10 most common problems for successful headers-footers?
Hi Gil:
Check out this document and it will tell you all about sections and how to use them: http://word.mvps.org/faqs/formatting...thSections.htm -- Carol A. Bratt, MCP "gil" wrote: Hi All, I think it would be useful to have a button on the headers footers toolbar, that automatically creates a new section with different first pages for headers and footers with pagination starting on the 2nd page, and moving the user to enter the new header and footer. Does anyone here have code that will perform this? Gil "gil" wrote in message ... What are the 10 most common problems in using headers and footers when using different first pages? For 10 years I've recommended that users avoid them unless they have to. I spent another several hours this morning trying to learn how to get the section headers not to insert section page break at bottom of file insert hard Page so you can have a nonfirst page header view header break link page setup different first page go to footer and break link go to page format, break link, select start at new page number 1 go back to header make sure you're in current section NOT first page, break link if it changed back on you insert your non-first page header move to first page header make sure it's empty go to prior section, make sure it's not been linked to later section's headers, then do the same whole sequence for the footers ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL TO BREAK THE LINK EACH TIME YOU ENTER A HEADER OR FOOTER BOX BEFORE ANY TEXT ENTRY. Any text entry seems to replace the prior sections headers instantly. YOU CANNOT PLACE A HEADER FOR NON-FIRST PAGE HEADERS UNTIL AFTER YOU MAKE A SECOND PAGE. TIA Long time sufferer
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January 25th, 2007, 03:18 PM
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Hi Stefan,
Yes, I am trying to develop code to adjust headers automatically. But if I cannot get Word to do my headers by the basic entry method, the likelihood of my succeeding with code would be very low. I have looked at styfle refs in the past, but only for an hour. I'd like to get my feet on the ground first before exploring a whole new arena. I have found that each new major exploration often takes a few months before you see how it affects all your prior programming. Do you see any obvious errors in my sequence at the bottom of this msg? TIA Gil "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... Indeed, by default each header (footer) is linked to the corresponding type of header (footer) in the previous section. Obviously, when you are enabling the "Different first page" option, more work is required to unlink headers (and/or footers). Note, however, that you may not need to unlink. What contents are you adding? If you are referencing something from the main body of the document, a STYLEREF field could do the job. See http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/HeaderFooter.htm and the first section of http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/StyleRef.htm. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "gil" wrote in message ... I guess my prior note just goes to show that I need to take a break. I had intended to say: What are the 10 most common problems in using headers and footers when using different first pages? For 10 years I've recommended that users avoid them unless they absolutely have to. I spent another several hours this morning trying to learn how to get the section headers not to somehow keep replacing a prior section's header. My sequence looks something like: insert section page break insert hard Page view header break link page setup different first page go to footer and break link go to page format, break link, select start at new page number 1 go back to header make sure you're in current section NOT first page, break link if it changed back on you insert your non-first page header move to first page header make sure it's empty go to prior section, make sure it's not been copied to prior section's headers, then do the same whole sequence for the footers It seems ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL TO BREAK THE LINK EACH TIME YOU ENTER A HEADER OR FOOTER BOX BEFORE ANY TEXT ENTRY. Any text entry seems to replace the prior sections headers instantly. YOU CANNOT PLACE A HEADER FOR NON-FIRST PAGE HEADERS UNTIL AFTER YOU MAKE A SECOND PAGE. "gil" wrote in message ... What are the 10 most common problems in using headers and footers when using different first pages? For 10 years I've recommended that users avoid them unless they have to. I spent another several hours this morning trying to learn how to get the section headers not to insert section page break at bottom of file insert hard Page so you can have a nonfirst page header view header break link page setup different first page go to footer and break link go to page format, break link, select start at new page number 1 go back to header make sure you're in current section NOT first page, break link if it changed back on you insert your non-first page header move to first page header make sure it's empty go to prior section, make sure it's not been linked to later section's headers, then do the same whole sequence for the footers ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL TO BREAK THE LINK EACH TIME YOU ENTER A HEADER OR FOOTER BOX BEFORE ANY TEXT ENTRY. Any text entry seems to replace the prior sections headers instantly. YOU CANNOT PLACE A HEADER FOR NON-FIRST PAGE HEADERS UNTIL AFTER YOU MAKE A SECOND PAGE. TIA Long time sufferer
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January 25th, 2007, 03:31 PM
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10 most common problems for successful headers-footers?
You know, after re-reading your post, it sounds as if you want to create a
template for a multiple page letterhead or something of that nature. Is that indeed what you're trying to do? If so, see: http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/wordfaqs/Letterhead.htm -- Carol A. Bratt, MCP "gil" wrote: Hi All, I think it would be useful to have a button on the headers footers toolbar, that automatically creates a new section with different first pages for headers and footers with pagination starting on the 2nd page, and moving the user to enter the new header and footer. Does anyone here have code that will perform this? Gil "gil" wrote in message ... What are the 10 most common problems in using headers and footers when using different first pages? For 10 years I've recommended that users avoid them unless they have to. I spent another several hours this morning trying to learn how to get the section headers not to insert section page break at bottom of file insert hard Page so you can have a nonfirst page header view header break link page setup different first page go to footer and break link go to page format, break link, select start at new page number 1 go back to header make sure you're in current section NOT first page, break link if it changed back on you insert your non-first page header move to first page header make sure it's empty go to prior section, make sure it's not been linked to later section's headers, then do the same whole sequence for the footers ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL TO BREAK THE LINK EACH TIME YOU ENTER A HEADER OR FOOTER BOX BEFORE ANY TEXT ENTRY. Any text entry seems to replace the prior sections headers instantly. YOU CANNOT PLACE A HEADER FOR NON-FIRST PAGE HEADERS UNTIL AFTER YOU MAKE A SECOND PAGE. TIA Long time sufferer
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January 25th, 2007, 03:36 PM
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Hi Carol,
I looked at the article you referenced, and it seems pretty familiar. But I am not deleting any section breaks in my actions. I do understand that hidden material like "reveal codes" is in the section breaks and at the end of files, and they contain the formatting information for the material immediately before it, after the prior section break. Gil "Carol" wrote in message ... Hi Gil: Check out this document and it will tell you all about sections and how to use them: http://word.mvps.org/faqs/formatting...thSections.htm -- Carol A. Bratt, MCP "gil" wrote: Hi All, I think it would be useful to have a button on the headers footers toolbar, that automatically creates a new section with different first pages for headers and footers with pagination starting on the 2nd page, and moving the user to enter the new header and footer. Does anyone here have code that will perform this? Gil "gil" wrote in message ... What are the 10 most common problems in using headers and footers when using different first pages? For 10 years I've recommended that users avoid them unless they have to. I spent another several hours this morning trying to learn how to get the section headers not to insert section page break at bottom of file insert hard Page so you can have a nonfirst page header view header break link page setup different first page go to footer and break link go to page format, break link, select start at new page number 1 go back to header make sure you're in current section NOT first page, break link if it changed back on you insert your non-first page header move to first page header make sure it's empty go to prior section, make sure it's not been linked to later section's headers, then do the same whole sequence for the footers ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL TO BREAK THE LINK EACH TIME YOU ENTER A HEADER OR FOOTER BOX BEFORE ANY TEXT ENTRY. Any text entry seems to replace the prior sections headers instantly. YOU CANNOT PLACE A HEADER FOR NON-FIRST PAGE HEADERS UNTIL AFTER YOU MAKE A SECOND PAGE. TIA Long time sufferer
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January 25th, 2007, 03:45 PM
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Hi Carol and all,
Actually, I am a developer for electronic medical records, based on Word. Each patient has a file dedicated to them. In years past, I have used "work arounds" that avoid the complexities of Word's headers and sections so as not to confuse users. Some users however are interested in using and preserving section breaks and headers unchanged in patient files. So, once again, I have dived into the deep end. I am seeking to have a single macro that adds a "traditional letter format." Gil http://www.TenSecondMedicalRecord.com "Carol" wrote in message ... You know, after re-reading your post, it sounds as if you want to create a template for a multiple page letterhead or something of that nature. Is that indeed what you're trying to do? If so, see: http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/wordfaqs/Letterhead.htm -- Carol A. Bratt, MCP "gil" wrote: Hi All, I think it would be useful to have a button on the headers footers toolbar, that automatically creates a new section with different first pages for headers and footers with pagination starting on the 2nd page, and moving the user to enter the new header and footer. Does anyone here have code that will perform this? Gil "gil" wrote in message ... What are the 10 most common problems in using headers and footers when using different first pages? For 10 years I've recommended that users avoid them unless they have to. I spent another several hours this morning trying to learn how to get the section headers not to insert section page break at bottom of file insert hard Page so you can have a nonfirst page header view header break link page setup different first page go to footer and break link go to page format, break link, select start at new page number 1 go back to header make sure you're in current section NOT first page, break link if it changed back on you insert your non-first page header move to first page header make sure it's empty go to prior section, make sure it's not been linked to later section's headers, then do the same whole sequence for the footers ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL TO BREAK THE LINK EACH TIME YOU ENTER A HEADER OR FOOTER BOX BEFORE ANY TEXT ENTRY. Any text entry seems to replace the prior sections headers instantly. YOU CANNOT PLACE A HEADER FOR NON-FIRST PAGE HEADERS UNTIL AFTER YOU MAKE A SECOND PAGE. TIA Long time sufferer
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January 25th, 2007, 05:42 PM
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10 most common problems for successful headers-footers?
Why not read Suzanne's article regarding letterhead and you can create a
template and a macro to invoke it. -- Carol A. Bratt, MCP "gil" wrote: Hi Carol and all, Actually, I am a developer for electronic medical records, based on Word. Each patient has a file dedicated to them. In years past, I have used "work arounds" that avoid the complexities of Word's headers and sections so as not to confuse users. Some users however are interested in using and preserving section breaks and headers unchanged in patient files. So, once again, I have dived into the deep end. I am seeking to have a single macro that adds a "traditional letter format." Gil http://www.TenSecondMedicalRecord.com "Carol" wrote in message ... You know, after re-reading your post, it sounds as if you want to create a template for a multiple page letterhead or something of that nature. Is that indeed what you're trying to do? If so, see: http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/wordfaqs/Letterhead.htm -- Carol A. Bratt, MCP "gil" wrote: Hi All, I think it would be useful to have a button on the headers footers toolbar, that automatically creates a new section with different first pages for headers and footers with pagination starting on the 2nd page, and moving the user to enter the new header and footer. Does anyone here have code that will perform this? Gil "gil" wrote in message ... What are the 10 most common problems in using headers and footers when using different first pages? For 10 years I've recommended that users avoid them unless they have to. I spent another several hours this morning trying to learn how to get the section headers not to insert section page break at bottom of file insert hard Page so you can have a nonfirst page header view header break link page setup different first page go to footer and break link go to page format, break link, select start at new page number 1 go back to header make sure you're in current section NOT first page, break link if it changed back on you insert your non-first page header move to first page header make sure it's empty go to prior section, make sure it's not been linked to later section's headers, then do the same whole sequence for the footers ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL TO BREAK THE LINK EACH TIME YOU ENTER A HEADER OR FOOTER BOX BEFORE ANY TEXT ENTRY. Any text entry seems to replace the prior sections headers instantly. YOU CANNOT PLACE A HEADER FOR NON-FIRST PAGE HEADERS UNTIL AFTER YOU MAKE A SECOND PAGE. TIA Long time sufferer
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