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Old August 18th, 2008, 01:11 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
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Default text to bibliography?

On Aug 18, 5:23 am, p0 wrote:

On the occasions when programming new reference styles has been
mentioned here, the MVPs have stated it appears to be impossibly
complicated to do so.


It is not. It is pretty basic XSLT, nothing fancy at it.


Like you said above, all people have to do is read the available
help:
* you have the open xml specification;


I do?


Yes. It is an ECMA standard (and now even an ISO standard). The
specification is open and freely available.

ECMA:http://www.ecma-international.org/pu...s/Ecma-376.htm
Microsoft:http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/office/aa905545.aspx
ISO: they are still finalizing the text

* you have blog articles by Microsoft people;


I do?


Yes. Probably the best example out there to get you started on
creating your own bibliographic style ishttp://blogs.msdn.com/microsoft_office_word/archive/2007/12/14/biblio...
but there are others.

* you have MSDN articles describing the format (not extensively
though);


I do?


Yes. For examplehttp://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb258052.aspx


To come back to your original question: "text to bibliography?" Yes it
is possible to automate that process but highly complex and therefore
99% of the people out there will not be able to do it and the
practical answer is: No.


Funny definition of "automate" ...

Thanks for the links. I'll look at them to see how daunting they are.
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Old August 19th, 2008, 06:01 AM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
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Default bibliography tool turns out to be useless text to bibliography?

On Aug 18, 5:23 am, p0 wrote:

* you have blog articles by Microsoft people;


I do?


Yes. Probably the best example out there to get you started on
creating your own bibliographic style ishttp://blogs.msdn.com/microsoft_office_word/archive/2007/12/14/biblio...
but there are others.


(1) I don't see any way to get to any other "blogs" that might have
been posted. I see that many people asked questions, and none were
answered.

(2a) One of the comments notes that it can't handle (2007a, 2007b),
and (2b) another notes that it can't handle "Smith (1997) states
that ..." vs. "It has been claimed (Smith 1997) that ..."

Both of those factors (2a) and (2b) mean that the entire tool is
utterly useless.
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Old August 19th, 2008, 07:16 AM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
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Default bibliography tool turns out to be useless text tobibliography?


(2a) One of the comments notes that it can't handle (2007a, 2007b),
and (2b) another notes that it can't handle "Smith (1997) states
that ..." vs. "It has been claimed (Smith 1997) that ..."


(2a) http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/wo...674921033.aspx

"If you choose a GOST or ISO 690 style for your sources and a citation
is not unique, append an alphabetic character to the year. For
example, a citation would appear as [Pasteur, 1848a]."

(2b) Right click on the citation, select "Edit citation" and then
select the "Author" in the "Suppress" frame.

Yves
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Old August 19th, 2008, 01:35 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
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Default bibliography tool turns out to be useless text tobibliography?

On Aug 19, 2:16 am, p0 wrote:
(2a) One of the comments notes that it can't handle (2007a, 2007b),
and (2b) another notes that it can't handle "Smith (1997) states
that ..." vs. "It has been claimed (Smith 1997) that ..."


(2a)http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/wo...674921033.aspx

"If you choose a GOST or ISO 690 style for your sources and a citation
is not unique, append an alphabetic character to the year. For
example, a citation would appear as [Pasteur, 1848a]."


Is Chicago either a "GOST" or an "ISO 690" style?

If I have already referenced Smith 2007, and then I find that Smith
published another article in 2007 that also needs to be cited, then I
would expect the machine to know whether it will be (a) or (b)
according to its alphabetical order in the reference list, and to
change all the existing (2007) references to (2007a) or (2007b)
accordingly.

(2b) Right click on the citation, select "Edit citation" and then
select the "Author" in the "Suppress" frame.


And then type the author's name again outside the reference?
 




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