Changes in working methods form Visio 5 to Visio 2003

Having upgraded from V5 to V2003 I find two major changes in the way of
working with drawings, and the operation of double click.
Can I reset/change back the default behaviours ?

1) In V5 drawings I have multiple nested shapes eg boxes inside boxes. Each
time I double click on the nested shape I open the next inner shape in a new
window.
This feature is most useful for organising shapes and facilitates easy
shape/object inheritance

Also, any guides used in a particular nested shape are retained. So when
editing - in future - any user can still line up shapes using the old guides.
These guides can be set different in each nested shape.

In V2003 these two features appear to have been removed. With old V5
drawings shapes lose their guide lines and do not open new windows on double
click.

2) The default action on double click on a single shape has changed. If I
want to edit text in a shape - say a box - the tool selector would switch to
text and then revert back to its' previous setting - for all shapes globally.

eg In V5 if the pointer was selected, then a shape double clicked, I got the
text editor tool automatically. On closing the shape the tool reverts back
to the previous setting. There is no need to reselect the pointer tool
again.

In V2003 I now have to manually change from pointer tool to text tool - then
double click. After editing text the tool stays stuck in text edit. I then
have to reselect the pointer tool again. This means two extra trips to the
menu bar to re-select tools, which really slows down editing speeds.

Sure, I can change the default setting for the shapes' response to double
click, but I have to do this for each and every shapes - its not global.
Also, I still would have to re-select the pointer tool on finish - it does
not auto revert.

The changes to group editing behavior were made in Visio 2000. Groups were
designated as editable and non-editable. Generally Visio master shapes
became non-editable but user-created groups were editable. You can choose
Edit Open Group to get your familiar group edit window no matter the group
behavior. The double-click action for groups has changed from Open in new
window to Default. Unfortunately Default for groups does nothing.

This change in double-click action for groups may be what you are seeing in
your second issue. The double-click action for most non-group shapes is
text edit.

--
Mark Nelson
Microsoft Corporation

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

"firstsoft" wrote in message
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Having upgraded from V5 to V2003 I find two major changes in the way of
working with drawings, and the operation of double click.
Can I reset/change back the default behaviours ?

1) In V5 drawings I have multiple nested shapes eg boxes inside boxes.
Each
time I double click on the nested shape I open the next inner shape in a
new
window.
This feature is most useful for organising shapes and facilitates easy
shape/object inheritance

Also, any guides used in a particular nested shape are retained. So when
editing - in future - any user can still line up shapes using the old
guides.
These guides can be set different in each nested shape.

In V2003 these two features appear to have been removed. With old V5
drawings shapes lose their guide lines and do not open new windows on
double
click.

2) The default action on double click on a single shape has changed. If I
want to edit text in a shape - say a box - the tool selector would switch
to
text and then revert back to its' previous setting - for all shapes
globally.

eg In V5 if the pointer was selected, then a shape double clicked, I got
the
text editor tool automatically. On closing the shape the tool reverts
back
to the previous setting. There is no need to reselect the pointer tool
again.

In V2003 I now have to manually change from pointer tool to text tool -
then
double click. After editing text the tool stays stuck in text edit. I
then
have to reselect the pointer tool again. This means two extra trips to
the
menu bar to re-select tools, which really slows down editing speeds.

Sure, I can change the default setting for the shapes' response to double
click, but I have to do this for each and every shapes - its not global.
Also, I still would have to re-select the pointer tool on finish - it does
not auto revert.

Thanks Mark,
my problems were all to do with the change in double click operation.
If I open the groups the long way, I find all my old guide lines etc, still
intact and viable. Text editing is OK too.

To speed things up, I now select the group with the mouse and use ALT/E/O to
open them, (I'm left paw on mouse and right paw on keys).

It would be nice if the old "double click - to - open - groups" feature was
a custom behaviour option, or at least, the right click context menu (for
groups) could have "open groups" added to the list of possible actions.

thanks for you help
Firstsoft



"Mark Nelson [MS]" wrote:

The changes to group editing behavior were made in Visio 2000. Groups were
designated as editable and non-editable. Generally Visio master shapes
became non-editable but user-created groups were editable. You can choose
Edit Open Group to get your familiar group edit window no matter the group
behavior. The double-click action for groups has changed from Open in new
window to Default. Unfortunately Default for groups does nothing.

This change in double-click action for groups may be what you are seeing in
your second issue. The double-click action for most non-group shapes is
text edit.

--
Mark Nelson
Microsoft Corporation

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

"firstsoft" wrote in message
...
Having upgraded from V5 to V2003 I find two major changes in the way of
working with drawings, and the operation of double click.
Can I reset/change back the default behaviours ?

1) In V5 drawings I have multiple nested shapes eg boxes inside boxes.
Each
time I double click on the nested shape I open the next inner shape in a
new
window.
This feature is most useful for organising shapes and facilitates easy
shape/object inheritance

Also, any guides used in a particular nested shape are retained. So when
editing - in future - any user can still line up shapes using the old
guides.
These guides can be set different in each nested shape.

In V2003 these two features appear to have been removed. With old V5
drawings shapes lose their guide lines and do not open new windows on
double
click.

2) The default action on double click on a single shape has changed. If I
want to edit text in a shape - say a box - the tool selector would switch
to
text and then revert back to its' previous setting - for all shapes
globally.

eg In V5 if the pointer was selected, then a shape double clicked, I got
the
text editor tool automatically. On closing the shape the tool reverts
back
to the previous setting. There is no need to reselect the pointer tool
again.

In V2003 I now have to manually change from pointer tool to text tool -
then
double click. After editing text the tool stays stuck in text edit. I
then
have to reselect the pointer tool again. This means two extra trips to
the
menu bar to re-select tools, which really slows down editing speeds.

Sure, I can change the default setting for the shapes' response to double
click, but I have to do this for each and every shapes - its not global.
Also, I still would have to re-select the pointer tool on finish - it does
not auto revert.