May I use Office 2003 pro instead of Office 2007 pro?

"Alias" wrote:


You can get 03 Pro or Access at amazon.com. It will be second hand.
Unlike Vista Business and Ultimate, Office 07 has no downgrade rights.

Ok, that was the information I was looking for.

You might want to try Open Office from www.openoffice.org and see if the
spreadsheet that comes with that meets your needs. It's free.

Alias

I use OpenOffice.org already for several years, but I found until now, that
I can work lot faster with MS Office, so I spent several times some money for
upgades. OpenOffice has some useful functions that I miss in Excel
(especially opening of dbf files preserving exact structure), but in general
it is rough and not jet so user friendly as previous MS Offices. If MS will
not improve the GUI of O2007 then Ithink I should switch to OOo.

Thanks for your contribution!

Sults wrote:

"Alias" wrote:

You can get 03 Pro or Access at amazon.com. It will be second hand.
Unlike Vista Business and Ultimate, Office 07 has no downgrade rights.

Ok, that was the information I was looking for.

You might want to try Open Office from www.openoffice.org and see if the
spreadsheet that comes with that meets your needs. It's free.

Alias

I use OpenOffice.org already for several years, but I found until now, that
I can work lot faster with MS Office, so I spent several times some money for
upgades. OpenOffice has some useful functions that I miss in Excel
(especially opening of dbf files preserving exact structure), but in general
it is rough and not jet so user friendly as previous MS Offices. If MS will
not improve the GUI of O2007 then Ithink I should switch to OOo.

Thanks for your contribution!

You're welcome and good luck finding a copy of 03.

Alias

Whilst Win 'may' have downgrade rights, Office does not

Not only is the OEM tied to the origonal PC, but in certain circumstances it
may be bios locked to that PC, so even if you were able to buy a licence you
wouldnt be able tonstall it on another PC

"Sults" wrote in message
...


"DL" wrote:

It doesnt grant you rights for an earlier edition
Your OEM edition is tied to the origonal PC
If you want 2003 you'll have to try & find it from an online source and
purchase it, in edition to the 2007 you have allready purchased

Did I understand you correctly, that retail version of Office 2007 Pro
does
not grant any rights to use some previous version instead of 2007?
I have heard, that instead of Vista Business 64 bit I am entitled to use
XP
Professional 64 bit, if I want. I know, that license of my OEM version is
tied to certain piece of hardware, but as much as I knew, installation
media
can be used with other computers too if separate license is bought for
every
computer.

Sults, there have been MANY posts here regarding the Ribbon UI. I, along with
many posters, do not like the new UI. I have found it to be illogical and
counter productive. As a result, I have gone back to Office 2003 and am
further evaluating OpenOffice and/or Zoho.

Here's a link regarding getting a refund for Office 2007.
http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/prod...nd/refund.mspx

You may also want to visit the MS website, go to the Office section and then
send in an email re your opinion of the Ribbon interface. MS claims that the
Ribbon has been an enormous success. Of course, those claims aren't
substantiated by any solid data.

HTH!

-- Gemini

Gordon, I've seen some of your other posts regarding this issue before. Try
to understand that there are quite a few posters who come here because they
are looking for a way to get back to classic UI. They don't like the Ribbon
UI, period!

I do not see the need for your sarcastic, condescending and/or argumentative
responses, such as this one. If you indeed are the professional you claim to
be, then I'd expect you to have enough maturity to avoid such responses.

Merely because you haven't done much customizing nor met many who do so,
doesn't mean squat. People who do that represent a relatively low %age, as is
to be expected. However, they're also usually long term/power users, who can
really put Office through it's paces. Been there, done that!

-- Gemini
"Gordon" wrote:
Well I should go back to Multiplan then if I were you.
As a Group management accountant for several large publicly-quoted companies
in the UK I have NEVER found it necessary to do any customising at all. I
have not come across many who do either.

You can try Framework from www.framework.com which is good alternate to
office product.

From their website I can't find the link for below text, so I copy & paste
he

About Framework Go to Top of page
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Framework's outlined windowing environment with word processing,
spreadsheets, databases, file and directory management, data management,
integrated hypertext, integrated interpreter, rapid development computer
language and a slew of unique features and tools not available in any other
software. Framework is unique in its unified context-based object-driven
user interface which is based on selection capabilities and set based
architecture.


Framework is a continuation of Ashton-Tate's Framework (Framework, II, III,
and IV) and the FRED computer language. The Framework software and trademark
were taken over by Selection & Functions Inc. from Borland after Ashton-Tate
was taken over by Borland. Selection & Functions Inc. with the stated goal
of protecting the significant investment made by Framework users and FRED
programmers in this unique technology and concepts. The current Windows
versions of Framework which are available to Framework users are fully
compatible with the original Framework methods and user interface, files,
macros, FRED programs, libraries and dictionaries, while providing
transparent compatibility with Windows programs and data.

Copying between Framework and Windows MS Word, Excel, HTML, Internet e-mail,
and most other programs preserves text style and format as well as
spreadsheet cell and database field values. Images cut by Framework,
including pictures opened in Framework (JPG, GIF, BMP, etc.) can be pasted
into Windows graphic programs such as MS Paint and Photoshop.

Framework extensive "Windowing" capabilities allows the Framework desktop to
grow larger than the Windows screen. A larger than screen desktop can be
scrolled up down and left right with documents (which may include pictures)
placed freely side by side or overlapped for viewing and comparison. A
Framework menu can be toggled between "always on top" keeping the Framework
window on top of other Windows or behaving as a normal Windows which can be
coverd by other Windows when not in focus. program.

A Framework menu creates secondary "post-it" "view windows" which can be
sized, positioned and scrolled as independent Framework desktop viewer
windows, updated with changes "broadcasted" from Fraemwork as the Framework
desktop is updated. Those multiple "view windows" can be positioned and
sized to show different areas of a a desktop which may be larger than the
screen with documents freely positioned on it.

Framework's mouse functionality is selection based and time independent.
Multiple mouse click operations are deciphered by the number of clicks, not
the the time interval between them. Mouse clicks actions are user defined
and user programmable. They can be directed to run pre-recorded Library
macros, standard keybord keys, and FRED programs as well as Windows API
programs. Mouse actions are equivalent to Framework's standard command keys.
Mouseovers help tips shows the equivalent key-commands familiar to Framework
users.

Framework provides a productivity suite with unlimited expendability,
standard organization of data and knowledge in a context based language like
programmable environment. Among its features are fast filing, outlining,
recording of macros in a consistent predictable environment, user
programmability, linking and search tools, dynamic switching between
languages, automatic creation of hypertext, automatic database filtering,
extensive programming capabilities with access to Windows DLL's and GUI on
top of an environment supporting graphics and desktop publishing.

Framework takes advantage of a new dynamic state machine technology
providing instant input parsing and among other things, a mass storage
industrial strength indexless databases providing close to instant data
access independent of data size. This mass storage database system provides
hard drive persistency and is limited in size only by the available hard
drive space. This independent mass storage system is in addition Framework's
support of Ashton-Tate's dBase files and indexes provided for back
compatibility with dBase files.

Framework's support for programming ranges from user recorded macros through
the FRED language interactive interpreter, to Windows DLL and Windows API
programs. For programers (or aspiring thereof) a 32 bit Windows API Pascal
compiler compatible with TP Pascal is available. And for the time being and
while on Intel compatible machines the LLI DTK (with minimal exceptions) is
a alive and well .

The Framework technology architecture and implementation is not tied up to
Windows. It consists of a number of portable OS independent modular cores,
including a portable packet data server and OS specific interface agents. It
allows the Framework TEchnology to run from plugged in devices or via
wireless or network connectivity on different platforms and in different
configurations. Some USB and wireless devices are used currently by
Framework users. Framework "packetizing" and managing data independent of
its format allows handling of unfamiliar file formats in outlines.
Packetizing of data and interface makes it possible for Framework to operate
remotely on different operating systems via dedicated agents.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------




Regards,
Shailesh Shah
http://in.geocities.com/shahshaileshs/
If You Can't Excel with Talent, Triumph with Effort.
Free Addins Office Menu-2003 for Office-2007
http://in.geocities.com/shahshaileshs/menuaddins




"Sults" wrote in message
...


"Alias" wrote:


You can get 03 Pro or Access at amazon.com. It will be second hand.
Unlike Vista Business and Ultimate, Office 07 has no downgrade rights.

Ok, that was the information I was looking for.

You might want to try Open Office from www.openoffice.org and see if the
spreadsheet that comes with that meets your needs. It's free.

Alias

I use OpenOffice.org already for several years, but I found until now,
that
I can work lot faster with MS Office, so I spent several times some money
for
upgades. OpenOffice has some useful functions that I miss in Excel
(especially opening of dbf files preserving exact structure), but in
general
it is rough and not jet so user friendly as previous MS Offices. If MS
will
not improve the GUI of O2007 then Ithink I should switch to OOo.

Thanks for your contribution!

See more about framework from below link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Framewo...ffice_suite%29


Regards,
Shailesh Shah
http://in.geocities.com/shahshaileshs/
If You Can't Excel with Talent, Triumph with Effort.
Free Addins Office Menu-2003 for Office-2007
http://in.geocities.com/shahshaileshs/menuaddins





"Shah Shailesh" wrote in message
...
You can try Framework from www.framework.com which is good alternate to
office product.

From their website I can't find the link for below text, so I copy &
paste he

About Framework Go to Top of page
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Framework's outlined windowing environment with word processing,
spreadsheets, databases, file and directory management, data management,
integrated hypertext, integrated interpreter, rapid development computer
language and a slew of unique features and tools not available in any
other software. Framework is unique in its unified context-based
object-driven user interface which is based on selection capabilities and
set based architecture.


Framework is a continuation of Ashton-Tate's Framework (Framework, II,
III, and IV) and the FRED computer language. The Framework software and
trademark were taken over by Selection & Functions Inc. from Borland after
Ashton-Tate was taken over by Borland. Selection & Functions Inc. with the
stated goal of protecting the significant investment made by Framework
users and FRED programmers in this unique technology and concepts. The
current Windows versions of Framework which are available to Framework
users are fully compatible with the original Framework methods and user
interface, files, macros, FRED programs, libraries and dictionaries, while
providing transparent compatibility with Windows programs and data.

Copying between Framework and Windows MS Word, Excel, HTML, Internet
e-mail, and most other programs preserves text style and format as well as
spreadsheet cell and database field values. Images cut by Framework,
including pictures opened in Framework (JPG, GIF, BMP, etc.) can be pasted
into Windows graphic programs such as MS Paint and Photoshop.

Framework extensive "Windowing" capabilities allows the Framework desktop
to grow larger than the Windows screen. A larger than screen desktop can
be scrolled up down and left right with documents (which may include
pictures) placed freely side by side or overlapped for viewing and
comparison. A Framework menu can be toggled between "always on top"
keeping the Framework window on top of other Windows or behaving as a
normal Windows which can be coverd by other Windows when not in focus.
program.

A Framework menu creates secondary "post-it" "view windows" which can be
sized, positioned and scrolled as independent Framework desktop viewer
windows, updated with changes "broadcasted" from Fraemwork as the
Framework desktop is updated. Those multiple "view windows" can be
positioned and sized to show different areas of a a desktop which may be
larger than the screen with documents freely positioned on it.

Framework's mouse functionality is selection based and time independent.
Multiple mouse click operations are deciphered by the number of clicks,
not the the time interval between them. Mouse clicks actions are user
defined and user programmable. They can be directed to run pre-recorded
Library macros, standard keybord keys, and FRED programs as well as
Windows API programs. Mouse actions are equivalent to Framework's standard
command keys. Mouseovers help tips shows the equivalent key-commands
familiar to Framework users.

Framework provides a productivity suite with unlimited expendability,
standard organization of data and knowledge in a context based language
like programmable environment. Among its features are fast filing,
outlining, recording of macros in a consistent predictable environment,
user programmability, linking and search tools, dynamic switching between
languages, automatic creation of hypertext, automatic database filtering,
extensive programming capabilities with access to Windows DLL's and GUI on
top of an environment supporting graphics and desktop publishing.

Framework takes advantage of a new dynamic state machine technology
providing instant input parsing and among other things, a mass storage
industrial strength indexless databases providing close to instant data
access independent of data size. This mass storage database system
provides hard drive persistency and is limited in size only by the
available hard drive space. This independent mass storage system is in
addition Framework's support of Ashton-Tate's dBase files and indexes
provided for back compatibility with dBase files.

Framework's support for programming ranges from user recorded macros
through the FRED language interactive interpreter, to Windows DLL and
Windows API programs. For programers (or aspiring thereof) a 32 bit
Windows API Pascal compiler compatible with TP Pascal is available. And
for the time being and while on Intel compatible machines the LLI DTK
(with minimal exceptions) is a alive and well .

The Framework technology architecture and implementation is not tied up to
Windows. It consists of a number of portable OS independent modular cores,
including a portable packet data server and OS specific interface agents.
It allows the Framework TEchnology to run from plugged in devices or via
wireless or network connectivity on different platforms and in different
configurations. Some USB and wireless devices are used currently by
Framework users. Framework "packetizing" and managing data independent of
its format allows handling of unfamiliar file formats in outlines.
Packetizing of data and interface makes it possible for Framework to
operate remotely on different operating systems via dedicated agents.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------




Regards,
Shailesh Shah
http://in.geocities.com/shahshaileshs/
If You Can't Excel with Talent, Triumph with Effort.
Free Addins Office Menu-2003 for Office-2007
http://in.geocities.com/shahshaileshs/menuaddins




"Sults" wrote in message
...


"Alias" wrote:


You can get 03 Pro or Access at amazon.com. It will be second hand.
Unlike Vista Business and Ultimate, Office 07 has no downgrade rights.

Ok, that was the information I was looking for.

You might want to try Open Office from www.openoffice.org and see if the
spreadsheet that comes with that meets your needs. It's free.

Alias

I use OpenOffice.org already for several years, but I found until now,
that
I can work lot faster with MS Office, so I spent several times some money
for
upgades. OpenOffice has some useful functions that I miss in Excel
(especially opening of dbf files preserving exact structure), but in
general
it is rough and not jet so user friendly as previous MS Offices. If MS
will
not improve the GUI of O2007 then Ithink I should switch to OOo.

Thanks for your contribution!

Wow! I guess I'm not the only one who hates the Office '07 interface! I
can't believe that Microshaft contends that their new interface (this
"ribbon" crapola) is such a huge success. They should look at their own
message boards.

Between this crappy version of Office and the gawd awful Vista O/S, I'm sure
it's gotta be hurting Microsoft's profits - and Apple is capitalizing on all
the dissatisfied PC/Windows users looking for something other than Microsoft.
I know of many personally that switched from PC to Mac because the Mac just
works so much better.

And I'm with the others here - I'd love to "downgrade" to 2003. I was kinda
"forced" to have 2007 by my boss. I had even found great deals on Office
2003 Pro online, but instead he hands me Office 2007. I just wanted to do
some simple editing of an Excel sheet and make a printout, something that
would only take me like 10-15 minutes to do, but it took me over 1 hour to do
it because I had to HUNT for the commands and functions I needed! I don't
have time to search through all the hundreds of commands and "build" the
stupid ribbon so that I have all my functionality. And even then, the
commands/functions act differently from previous versions.

I'm going to have to have a talk with my boss and see if he can get me 2003.
At this point, if the company won't get and pay for '03, I'm going to buy my
own copy and install it. It's just that if I leave, I'm taking it with me
and uninstalling it from my work machine. The "next guy" will have to deal
with installing office over again - and THAT person can deal with this crappy
Office 2007!!

MarkInNY wrote:
Wow! I guess I'm not the only one who hates the Office '07 interface! I
can't believe that Microshaft contends that their new interface (this
"ribbon" crapola) is such a huge success. They should look at their own
message boards.

Between this crappy version of Office and the gawd awful Vista O/S, I'm sure
it's gotta be hurting Microsoft's profits - and Apple is capitalizing on all
the dissatisfied PC/Windows users looking for something other than Microsoft.
I know of many personally that switched from PC to Mac because the Mac just
works so much better.

And I'm with the others here - I'd love to "downgrade" to 2003. I was kinda
"forced" to have 2007 by my boss. I had even found great deals on Office
2003 Pro online, but instead he hands me Office 2007. I just wanted to do
some simple editing of an Excel sheet and make a printout, something that
would only take me like 10-15 minutes to do, but it took me over 1 hour to do
it because I had to HUNT for the commands and functions I needed! I don't
have time to search through all the hundreds of commands and "build" the
stupid ribbon so that I have all my functionality. And even then, the
commands/functions act differently from previous versions.

I'm going to have to have a talk with my boss and see if he can get me 2003.
At this point, if the company won't get and pay for '03, I'm going to buy my
own copy and install it. It's just that if I leave, I'm taking it with me
and uninstalling it from my work machine. The "next guy" will have to deal
with installing office over again - and THAT person can deal with this crappy
Office 2007!!

Oh come on, man, tell us what you really feel!

Alias, who still uses Office 2003 and has no interest in 07.

Awwwwww. :-(


MarkInNY wrote:

Wow! I guess I'm not the only one who hates the Office '07 interface!