a general question

I don't see how you can't find 2003 intuitive. There hasn't been much of a
change since the days of DOS. I thought maybe you were talking about 2007. I
would have heartily agreed with you there. I have been quite public in my
opinion of the ribbon interface and that I do not find it intuitive at all.

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]




"Stephan Laska" Ask & maybe I'll Tell wrote in message
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"JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message
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You didn't state which version you're talking about.

original post, office 2003

JoAnn,
Here is a good explanation of why you find it so.

http://www.uie.com/articles/design_intuitive/



JoAnn Paules [MVP] wrote:

I don't see how you can't find 2003 intuitive. There hasn't been much of a
change since the days of DOS. I thought maybe you were talking about 2007. I
would have heartily agreed with you there. I have been quite public in my
opinion of the ribbon interface and that I do not find it intuitive at all.

You have to learn the layout of the change in Office 2007 or any program
over time then you will find it more intuitive....

--
Paul Ballou
MVP Office
http://office.microsoft.com/home
http://www.freeserifsoftware.com/
http://www.ballousgiftshop.com

Life would be easier if we could view the source code

"JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message
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I don't see how you can't find 2003 intuitive. There hasn't been much of a
change since the days of DOS. I thought maybe you were talking about 2007.
I would have heartily agreed with you there. I have been quite public in my
opinion of the ribbon interface and that I do not find it intuitive at all.

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]




"Stephan Laska" Ask & maybe I'll Tell wrote in message
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"JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message
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You didn't state which version you're talking about.

original post, office 2003

"JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message
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I don't see how you can't find 2003 intuitive.

It's intuitive enough when doing simple tasks, but I've found certain tasks
frustratingly difficult to learn, such as getting footers to behave in the
manner
I desire (starting new footers in the middle of a document, getting the page
numbers to display as I desire), centering text vertically on a page, etc.

As I try to do something in word that I haven't done before, I frequently
say "I know it can do this, now where did they hide it and what are
they calling it?"

There hasn't been much of a change since the days of DOS.

maybe not, but I havdn't done quite as much with Word then as I
do now.

That is true and right now I don't have the time or patience to learn
several new programs. (But I still don't like the ribbon.)

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]




"Paul Ballou" wrote in message
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You have to learn the layout of the change in Office 2007 or any program
over time then you will find it more intuitive....

--
Paul Ballou
MVP Office
http://office.microsoft.com/home
http://www.freeserifsoftware.com/
http://www.ballousgiftshop.com

Life would be easier if we could view the source code

"JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message
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I don't see how you can't find 2003 intuitive. There hasn't been much of a
change since the days of DOS. I thought maybe you were talking about 2007.
I would have heartily agreed with you there. I have been quite public in
my opinion of the ribbon interface and that I do not find it intuitive at
all.

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]




"Stephan Laska" Ask & maybe I'll Tell wrote in message
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"JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message
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You didn't state which version you're talking about.

original post, office 2003

You've actually been using it all along instead of a menu and toolbars
occupying the same space now called the ribbon you have tabs with the
clickable icons just like the toolbars have on them....

--
Paul Ballou
MVP Office
http://office.microsoft.com/home
http://www.freeserifsoftware.com/
http://www.ballousgiftshop.com

Life would be easier if we could view the source code

"JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message
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That is true and right now I don't have the time or patience to learn
several new programs. (But I still don't like the ribbon.)

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]




"Paul Ballou" wrote in message
...
You have to learn the layout of the change in Office 2007 or any program
over time then you will find it more intuitive....

--
Paul Ballou
MVP Office
http://office.microsoft.com/home
http://www.freeserifsoftware.com/
http://www.ballousgiftshop.com

Life would be easier if we could view the source code

"JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message
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I don't see how you can't find 2003 intuitive. There hasn't been much of
a change since the days of DOS. I thought maybe you were talking about
2007. I would have heartily agreed with you there. I have been quite
public in my opinion of the ribbon interface and that I do not find it
intuitive at all.

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]




"Stephan Laska" Ask & maybe I'll Tell wrote in message
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"JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message
...

You didn't state which version you're talking about.

original post, office 2003

"Paul Ballou" wrote in message
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You have to learn the layout of the change in Office 2007 or any program
over time then you will find it more intuitive....

This doesn't make sense to me. If something is intuitive, then
one doesn't require "learning" how to use it to make it function.
IMHO, you are confusing "becoming familiar with the logic of
the design" with "intuitive design".

"Intuitiveness" is completely relative to the users experience. That's
what makes the question completely pointless and useless noise when
posed as a "voluntary survey".

Stephan Laska wrote:

"Paul Ballou" wrote in message
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You have to learn the layout of the change in Office 2007 or any program
over time then you will find it more intuitive....


This doesn't make sense to me. If something is intuitive, then
one doesn't require "learning" how to use it to make it function.
IMHO, you are confusing "becoming familiar with the logic of
the design" with "intuitive design".

"Bob I" wrote in message
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"Intuitiveness" is completely relative to the users experience. That's
what makes the question completely pointless and useless noise when posed
as a "voluntary survey".

well bob,
I'm sorry you're so convinced that my questioning is pointless.
It does sound like you're half convinced that I just want to
gripe about uSoft, or start a flame war, or something, but
that is just an impression I get. It's also far from my intention, so
instead of assisting me by just answering my question, which
would give me an idea if our difficulties here in the office is
typical or atypical, we engage in a minor debate on
the meanin gof intuitive. ah, well.

In any event, and despite the nice web
page you've offered, Intuitiveness is a measure of functionality
that goes a bit beyond something "completely relative to the
users experience". Intuitivness of design can be used to lessen
the learning curve by placing functions for that thing where
users typically expect to find them, rather than where the
designer thinks it would be... it involves statistics..
perhaps you've heard of that branch of math?
Statistics in this case involves polling people for their
(subjective) opinion.

I'm a visual ands kinetic learner. Commands have been moved and relocated.
It's going to take me time to learn where things are. That's why I hate it
when my husband moves my stuff.

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]




"Paul Ballou" wrote in message
...
You've actually been using it all along instead of a menu and toolbars
occupying the same space now called the ribbon you have tabs with the
clickable icons just like the toolbars have on them....

--
Paul Ballou
MVP Office
http://office.microsoft.com/home
http://www.freeserifsoftware.com/
http://www.ballousgiftshop.com

Life would be easier if we could view the source code

"JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message
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That is true and right now I don't have the time or patience to learn
several new programs. (But I still don't like the ribbon.)

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]




"Paul Ballou" wrote in message
...
You have to learn the layout of the change in Office 2007 or any program
over time then you will find it more intuitive....

--
Paul Ballou
MVP Office
http://office.microsoft.com/home
http://www.freeserifsoftware.com/
http://www.ballousgiftshop.com

Life would be easier if we could view the source code

"JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message
news I don't see how you can't find 2003 intuitive. There hasn't been much of
a change since the days of DOS. I thought maybe you were talking about
2007. I would have heartily agreed with you there. I have been quite
public in my opinion of the ribbon interface and that I do not find it
intuitive at all.

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]




"Stephan Laska" Ask & maybe I'll Tell wrote in message
...

"JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message
...

You didn't state which version you're talking about.

original post, office 2003